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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red & Dslr...

Miltos Pilalitos said:
EDIT: The Canon is 21MP though...
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Andrew said:
So it is not Canon 1Ds 21MP it is 1D MKIII

Now I am confused.....................
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There are two Mark IIIs, the 1D mkIII and the 1Ds mk III. The "s" model is 21MP, the "non-s" is only 10 - but shoots much faster. Jim is using the "non-s" according to the original post.
 
Jannard said:
The RED file opens at 4096x2048 from about a 1.5MB file. The 1D MKIII opens at 3888x2592 from an 11.6MB file . So I 1st cropped the Canon to 2:1 format (3888x1944), then scaled it back up (slightly) to 4096x2048.

Jim
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What? i thought you used the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III...

Hmmm... this just added a little confusion back to my mind. I was 100% the top was the Canon but i am not sure now...
 
Andrew said:
... Anyway, I will eat underwear (of my girlfriend) if bottom one is not RED ...
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Andrew ... I feel that you need to start practicing ;-)
 
Andrew said:
So it is not Canon 1Ds 21MP it is 1D MKIII that is only 10MP!!

Now I am confused.....................
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It is as "apples to apples" as you can get. We are seeing all 10MP from the Canon and about the same from RED when you consider that the RED ONE is a 12MP camera at full 4520 resolution. The 1Ds MKIII is a full frame still sensor that is much larger than S35 film size (and the RED and 1D MKIII).

Jim
 
I've been waiting since this thread started for an answer, I haven't left the computer, apart from going to blow my nose since I have the flu. Please Jim, it's killing me (literally)...
 
Same thing here, now it is very tough since we didn't see the B16 too much.
If I see the same with the focus chart it would be easier. RED has very little artefacts on focus charts in comparison to DLSRs. Still the bottom one looks familiar.
Can we get focus chart shot from both cameras?
 
Jannard said:
The RED file opens at 4096x2048 from about a 1.5MB file. The 1D MKIII opens at 3888x2592 from an 11.6MB file . So I 1st cropped the Canon to 2:1 format (3888x1944), then scaled it back up (slightly) to 4096x2048.

Jim
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We already have got the answer from Jim.

"The 1D MKIII opens at 3888x2592 from an 11.6MB file . So I 1st cropped the Canon to 2:1 format (3888x1944), then scaled it back up (slightly) to 4096x2048."

Definitely the top is RED and the bottom is Canon.

The key is in more detail, shaper image and of course higher resolution.
 
Häakon said:
Respectfully, the 1D MKIII is a 1.3x crop camera, not full-frame. I posted that chart on page four so that people understood this, but it doesn't seem to be sinking in. A more "apples to apples" comparison would be to use one of their APS-C sized sensors, which is very nearly the same size of RED's. But then, my guess is you don't have one of those lying around as it is too "prosumer." :-P
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Haakon (I don't know how to do that funny thing over the 1st "a" of your name)... I chose the 1D MKIII because it is the Canon Professional camera closest to RED.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
It is as "apples to apples" as you can get. We are seeing all 10MP from the Canon and about the same from RED when you consider that the RED ONE is a 12MP camera at full 4520 resolution. The 1Ds MKIII is a full frame still sensor that is much larger than S35 film size (and the RED and 1D MKIII).
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Sorry Jim, I misread that last post. You're right - the 1Ds is full frame. The sensor in the 1D is closer to RED's size than the 1Ds Mark III, but it's still larger. A more "apples to apples" comparison would be to use one of their cameras with an APS-C sized sensor, like the XSi. I understand your reason for choosing the 1D, however - and the fact that people are having a difficult time telling the difference between these two is even better for RED!
 
I'll post the answer later this afternoon. I want more people to have a look at this... in case they have been offline for the past 12 hours.

Jim
 
WOW that is impressive.

9_1a – This is the Red camera, there is a more grain-like consistency to the shadows and that is something that they've been working hard to get in B16. There is also just a hint of the vertical fixed noise pattern when the image is lifted way more than it should be. The blue channel is a little rougher on the Red.

9_1b - The colours in the chart are exactly how the Canon 1D Mark III captures them. The colours MAY be marginally more accurate than the Red but it could also be a matter of a poorly calibrated monitor on my part.

Either one of these would be an outstanding image for a still camera. For a motion picture camera... I am back to the word that opened this post- WOW.
 
You mean, in case people are working? :-)

I'm rendering some Red footage, doing some interesting comparisons today, so the render time has allowed me to take part in all of this fun. You sure know how to get us hooked Jim.
 
The Third Man said:
We already have got the answer from Jim.

"The 1D MKIII opens at 3888x2592 from an 11.6MB file . So I 1st cropped the Canon to 2:1 format (3888x1944), then scaled it back up (slightly) to 4096x2048."

Definitely the top is RED and the bottom is Canon.

The key is in more detail, shaper image and of course higher resolution.
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I am not getting it? Where is the answer?
Canon is uncompressed 10MBytes file.
RED is 10 times smaller.
You can't get so many details from such highly compressed file.
And clearly the top one has more details in it.
 
Andrew said:
I am not getting it? Where is the answer?
Canon is uncompressed 10MBytes file.
RED is 10 times smaller.
You can't get so many details from such highly compressed file.
And clearly the top one has more details in it.
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The clear answer is:

B16.
 
Jannard said:
I'll post the answer later this afternoon. I want more people to have a look at this... in case they have been offline for the past 12 hours.

Jim
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Hi Jim,

I hope the upper one is the RED, because its having slightly more detail, feels sharper on the focue plane, less "color crosstalk" in out of focus areas.

I suspect its the other way around, though...

Axel
 
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