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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red & Dslr...

Ok Jim, you've clearly made your point. It's hard to make the difference between both pictures.

Here is a quick recap of the answers so far :

First picture is RED = 21 people
Second picture is RED = 32 people

:tongue:
 
I think the Bottom one is Canon. The blue channel on my RED ONE could never look like good ( sorry Jim )
 
The bottom image is definitely the Canon. The noise is significantly lower in the blue channel and there is much less chromatic aberration.
 
Pict #1) Less edge enhancement, not quite as clean colors on the MB chart.

Pict #2) A little cleaner but darker colors ( probably adjustments anyway), but a ton of chromatic aberration on the upper left.

Tough call...both in the same league overall.

I'd guess pict #1 is from RED ONE.
 
I bet Jim is sitting at his computer having a good laugh at this...lighting a cigar...pouring a cognac...
 
Top=Red
Bottom=Canon

If I am reading the image properly, it looks to me like the first image is more characteristic of Red footage, especially when I raise the exposure. But then again, I'm not as familiar with Canon, so I might be wrong. Either way, looking pretty good.
 
Wow, you try to get a good night's sleep and you miss out on all the fun.

OK, first off, I would have preferred a deeper bit depth pair of images to work with, but given that all we have access to is the .jpgs I will venture my guess.

The image labeled 9_1a.jpg is the Canon shot.
The image labeled 9_1b.jpg is the RED shot.

My guess (as is a lot of others) is that the point of this is that, 8 bit jpgs of both are very difficult to tell apart and that there is no clear 'winner' when comparing these two digital acquisition devices (when used as a still frame camera). As a motion camera, the RED is the clear winner, but that is kinda obvious.

Regardless of the results, I think a congratulations is in order (and perhaps we will be seeing a number of 1Ds coming up on the used market).

Kevin Halverson
 
Top is RED. The highlights are characteristic of what I've been getting. As far as color rendition goes, it still seems to me the top one is RED. It has that soft tone to it plus the wood grain seems to be more natural.

Remember Jim had to bring the blacks Canon up in Adobe RAW because of a slight crush Adobe put on it. I think that could more resemble the second picture. He brought it up but just enough to match the first picture.
 
What would really interest me is a pair of back lite zone chart shots.

That would be really useful shots to compare.

Kevin Halverson
 
There's way more information in the top one, so based on all the previous threads concerning ISO's, the extreme test with the girl in the dark in front of the washed out background, and various other tests from Jim, I'd say the top one is RED

In the bottom one there's more noise and the information is not there.
Trying to bring back the information in the details and shadows just shows noise.
 
I'm curious of how many people who have made a choice actually have their cameras... :-)

Bottom one still feels much more RED-like to me.
 
Häakon said:
I'm curious of how many people who have made a choice actually have their cameras... :-)

Bottom one still feels much more RED-like to me.
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If you check all the answers you will see that most of the people who don't have their cameras yet think that the top picture is RED. Most of the current RED owners know that the second one is the RED even if there was some confusion for a few minutes.

:biggrin:
 
My first impression according to my experience with firmware #15 was that the bottom one is the RED. Simply because it looks compressed, especially the blue channel.

But then the Sherlock Holmes in me woke up. :detective2:

Jim said that it was hard to focus the Canon. So what would you want to have in focus, the color tubes with all the fine print or the point & shoot camera? I'd say the tubes.
So the top one must be the RED.

The two stills are taken from different positions. The first camera was to the left of the other one. So how would you place these two cameras side by side? The RED ONE has most probably an EVF and a FF on its smart side. There's no room to put the Canon 1D there.
So the top one must be the RED.

Jim, please tell me that my Sherlock Holmes is right. :biggrin:
 
It's confusing because the second image has focus issues but it's also softer in other ways. The words "Digital ColorChecker" are sharper on the second image but the first image still reveals details (little hairs and flecks, the texture of the paper) in that area that are absent from the second image. I have no idea which is which, having no experience with either camera, but the first file is obviously the superior image.
 
Miltos Pilalitos said:
If you check all the answers you will see that most of the people who don't have their cameras yet think that the top picture is RED. Most of the current RED owners know that the second one is the RED even if there was some confusion for a few minutes.

:biggrin:
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Well, here's the thing. I have a camera, but I don't have Build 16. If the bottom one is Red, then there are some things about it that seem different than Build 15. Could be the way the noise is structured. There are some things about the top one that don't seem Red-like to me. So, call me confused. On first glance, I had thought the bottom one was Red. Then I went in and looked it over in Photoshop and I leaned towards the top one being Red. I think I'm failing the test.:)
 
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