Red Drive wont record 4K 16:9 at Redcode42

[Mike Krumlauf]

Is this normal? I have some redmags on the way for the SSD module that’s on my red one, but if i try to shoot at the lowest compression in 4k16:9 mode on a 320GB RED Drive, it says the media is too slow.

 

[Brian Timmons]

IIRC, REDCode 42 tops out at 4KHD (3840x2160) resolution. Pretty sure its the same when using the SSD module.
You can shoot full 4K (4096x2304) with REDCode 36 and below.

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

So it's not the drive then but the camera just does not allow 4k 16:9 at REDCODE 42? That's stupid... I wonder why that is. I will test it out once my redmag arrives.

 

[Mohamed Ali]

Hello Mike ! I aleready try with ssd and it's not allow to record in 16/9 redcode 42.

 

[Brian Timmons]

So it's not the drive then but the camera just does not allow 4k 16:9 at REDCODE 42? That's stupid... I wonder why that is. I will test it out once my redmag arrives.

It’s an odd limitation as I doubt the problem is related to internal or external data rates.
On the bright side i don’t think we’re missing much compared to RC 36.
I only use RC 42 for 3K or 2K shots where i might need higher frame rates.
it can definitely make a difference at those lowers resolutions particularly with higher detailed shots (i.e forests).

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA

 

[Phil Holland]

Is this normal? I have some redmags on the way for the SSD module that’s on my red one, but if i try to shoot at the lowest compression in 4k16:9 mode on a 320GB RED Drive, it says the media is too slow.

It's been forever since I've used and been well versed with the RED One, but I'm pretty certain the SSD Module was/is required to hit the data rates of RC 42, remember that being one of the key reasons of going that way and that's sort of how we got to now as well. Spinning disks were not able to keep up back then, nor the CF cards from that era.

Current day media and camera tech, CFast 2.0 really wasn't mature enough until just before Komodo and even then some cards don't cut the mustard. Similarly CFexpress same thing, V-Raptor goes beyond what a great deal of cards can actually do or do reliably, which is why we have approved media and all that. Some risk it and just work at higher compression ratios like LQ all the time, but that's moderately like not putting proper racing tires on an F1 and hoping to get the most out of it.

RED's been in a fascinating position where the market as a whole wants both ends of the spectrum of data rates and also rather content often somewhere in the middle. Some don't mind shooting at highest quality all of the time, others need something more nimble to handle the data footprint desires for specific productions or ideal roll times for the type of work. Fortunately the system has been flexible for so long that it's allowed for that. Compressed RAW, actual RAW, is what allows for that of course.

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

It's been forever since I've used and been well versed with the RED One, but I'm pretty certain the SSD Module was/is required to hit the data rates of RC 42

Incorrect. I can shoot Redcode 42 in pretty much every other format on the Red Drive and CF cards in RC42... its just the 16:9 option that wont go

 

[Phil Holland]

Incorrect. I can shoot Redcode 42 in pretty much every other format on the Red Drive and CF cards in RC42... its just the 16:9 option that wont go

Apologies. I should have expanded. The RED One used a different concept to derived it's 16:9, 4K HD. Rather than being 3840x2160 it's actually 4096x2304, which was not a bad direction to go for downsampling and was indeed a format from the film industry days via 4K scanning w/ a 16:9 ratio. Somehow that res briefly made it into displays as well.

The problem as it pertains to REDCODE 42 is it's just above the data rate limit. Basically you're pushing 9.4 megapixels a frame versus I think the next largest format of 8.6 megapixels.

RED righted the ship with DSMC and based resolutions and formats around the DCI standard for the most part from there. But it was a bit of discordance when both systems existed as the formats were off.

 

[Brian Timmons]

Here's a link to the RED One manual and should hopefully clear any confusion.
https://www.red.com/download/red-one-operation-guide.

The chart on page 49 shows what resolutions can be filmed with REDCODE 42.

4K 16:9 is not listed.

REDCODE 36 still does an excellent job of compression and can't think of any shots where I
experienced the image falling apart at that setting.

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA

 

[Tony Ponomarencko]

hello dude, throw all the files from the hard drive to the computer. after set the settings in the camera 42code 16:9 and format the hard drive after you can write with the maximum bitrate and also in any quality and 120fps. each time the hard drive will need to be formatted for different settings

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

hello dude, throw all the files from the hard drive to the computer. after set the settings in the camera 42code 16:9 and format the hard drive after you can write with the maximum bitrate and also in any quality and 120fps. each time the hard drive will need to be formatted for different settings

Yeah, that does not work. Its impossible to shoot 4K 16:9 in RC42 on the Red One.

 

[Tony Ponomarencko]

Yeah, that does not work. Its impossible to shoot 4K 16:9 in RC42 on the Red One.

use the procedure - 1. upload the necessary media files to the computer 2. set the 42code 16x9 in the settings. 3. and format the hard drive with the settings you have set.
I have a simple Red One and it worked.
instructions for a hard drive 320 or 640gb that is connected to the drive connector

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

use the procedure - 1. upload the necessary media files to the computer 2. set the 42code 16x9 in the settings. 3. and format the hard drive with the settings you have set.
I have a simple Red One and it worked.
instructions for a hard drive 320 or 640gb that is connected to the drive connector

I dont know what planet your red one is living on or maybe you have the M and not MX chip but it does not work for mine.