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RED, are you listening? The ROCKET is the bottleneck....

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The REDRocket technology is long in the tooth and isn't supporting your users' needs at a standard which meets the lovely imaging systems you've released.

The REDRocket is the bottleneck.

We need a portable, affordable playback and debayering system.

A Rocket card is $5K+ - if your Rocket goes down, the replacement is $3K - so conceivably, you could be into a Rocket system for $8K on a $12K camera (Scarlet) -

This cost is totally out of proportion and should be adjusted to the needs of today's user base.

When the Rocket was released to serve the original RED ONE, I was relieved and grateful. But times have changed (thanks to RED!), cameras and expectations have changed. And now I just find myself frustrated by the bottleneck, by the pricing, by the lack of portability of the Rocket system, by the reports of weak solder joints which make me reluctant to move the card between systems, by the uninspiring third-party chassis options - and their lack of availability.

There have been tons of threads begging for an updated Rocket system. We want something portable, swappable, fast, efficient, Thunderbolt-enabled, and at a price point which is proportional to the amount spent on the SCARLET.

Beloved RED, you have solved way bigger problems than this and you are working on solutions which "defy gravity" - surely, you can do this one little thing to solve a current, ongoing and frustrating problem for your loyal user base? Pretty please?

I need it. I want it. Yesterday if not sooner.

Yours in humble and eternal gratitude -
 
Meryem, if you take some acid, you'll see, things are floating slowly around you, and you won't need speed anymore. And it may give interesting results for the final edit ;-)

Kristin
 
I was literally going to buy a rocket today. Already ordered a sonnet chassis for my new MacBook pro retina. After reading this post I remembered reading horror stories and searched to find this thread: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?70975-RED-ROCKET-CARD-DYING-AFTER-UPGRADE

Im putting this purchase on hold.. I've been building PCs for a long time and know that even you wear your anti-static bracelet $hi.t happens on the hardware side. Too much money too.
 
I think even if they did release a "super rocket 2", the thunderbolt port is a bottle neck... since it can only do 4x PCI essentially according to Jeff and all the other thunderbolt threads on this site. So the Red Rocket 2 would still need an internal 16x PCI slot (or faster)

Until the second rendition of thunderbolt is in laptops you wont get the throughput you need to run the current rocket, or future models at full speed. But by then monstro will be shipping and we will just need even more throughput probably then thunderbolt 2 would provide...its a vicious cycle of throughput really..
 
When you have a Rocket you love it, but there is no camera out there that a special $4k+ card is needed for a smooth workflow.. There is also no camera out there like RED, so I guess it evens itself out.
 
I wonder if they could have a more GPU driven approach rather than using specialized hardware like the rocket. Does anyone know what the Rocket does that cannot be duplicated by software and a sufficient beefy GPU?
 
Meryem Ersoz said:
This cost is totally out of proportion and should be adjusted to the needs of today's user base.
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Couldn't agree more. It's frustrating to take potentially beautiful images and never be able to see them in real time or close to full resolution without shelling out $5. How do I know if the jitter I see is the playback or the camera move? I too would like a solution here and a RR cannot even do Full rez in Adobe or FCP, for $5k I expect more. I can get a lot more value out of $5,000 dollars then a PCIe card. That's why I am waiting on a solution, not the $5k one if I can avoid it.
 
Arri Alexa is "like" RED.

Justin Marx said:
When you have a Rocket you love it, but there is no camera out there that a special $4k+ card is needed for a smooth workflow.. There is also no camera out there like RED, so I guess it evens itself out.
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Hi Meryem! You could've just emailed me you know ;)

we hear what all of you are saying and we wan te same
things

Brian is right about Thunderbolt

GPU can't do decompression, unfortunately...
 
Existing Rocket is fine, I'm just hoping there's a way to slash the price some how...

I would think that upcoming MIC tech from Intel (Knight's Corner) and cards like the Tesla K20 should tip the scales on compression in favor of more mainstream computational (GPU) cards. Knight's Corner can be used with both common x86 instructions as well as OpenCL. If nothing else I would think it merits real investigation.
 
I do not own Red camera and I never will, for obvious reasons. Nevertheless, if I want to work with Red material, I'm required to spend $5K, if I want to work at full resolution in real time. No other camera manufacturers requires that from post professionals. So, based on this simple fact, what do you think most of post professionals are going to say, when asked their opinion about the Red camera?
 
jake blackstone said:
I do not own Red camera and I never will, for obvious reasons. Nevertheless, if I want to work with Red material, I'm required to spend $5K, if I want to work at full resolution in real time. No other camera manufacturers requires that from post professionals. So, based on this simple fact, what do you think I'm going to say, when asked my opinion about the Red camera?
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Jake....i'm going to guess now...
...so your client walks in and says what do you think and they have a bunch of R3d...your reply--"do you have a rocket card i can borrow"
...that's your reply in a round about way i would guess since you don't own a rr card. Yes?
 
Johnny Friday said:
Jake....i'm going to guess now...
...so your client walks in and says what do you think and they have a bunch of R3d...your reply--"do you have a rocket card i can borrow"
...that's your reply in a round about way i would guess since you don't own a rr card. Yes?
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You'd be totally wrong Johnny. Nice way to turn this into a personal attack, rather than trying to examine why some post people may have a problem in unnecessary spending $5k.
In case you care, my system does debayer in background and I always work with full resolution in real time without RR.
They are other grading systems, beside Resolve you know...
Unfortunately, for majority of users, Resolve is it and without RR it's 1/4 resolution...
 
Jake no one is attacking you, just cracking a joke for your expense. You have a very solid point, the cost is too much.

Do you ever CC ARRI Alexis footage? If so, can you CC in full Rez here, what is the workflow like?

jake blackstone said:
You'd be totally wrong Johnny. Nice way to turn this into a personal attack, rather than trying to examine why some post people may have a problem in unnecessary spending $5k.
In case you care, my system does debayer in background and I always work with full resolution in real time without RR.
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jake blackstone said:
In case you care, my system does debayer in background and I always work with full resolution in real time without RR.
They are other grading systems, beside Resolve you know...
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I care, how do you have your system setup?
 
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