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Red Accessories - Sexy vs. Crappy

Brent@RED said:
Casey, see the description for the DOVETAIL: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/46

Recommends CHEESE PLATE when an extremely rock solid mounting is required.

BC
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That kinda sucks - now I have to fork out another $300 to have a sturdy tripod mount? Why not have the cheese plate as an option for the production pack, instead of the dovetail?
 
yeah we hit this issue too- we loaded the sticks up with the red, lens, teleprompter, battery, and drive- it definitely had some wobble to it.- i think the reason they go with the dovetail in the production pack is because you can use it for both shoulder and lite tripod situations- it's more versatile. However if you are building for a heavy tripod setup you need to use something else.
 
Brent@RED said:
Casey, see the description for the DOVETAIL: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/46

Recommends CHEESE PLATE when an extremely rock solid mounting is required.

BC
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Yes, I see that the description finally has been added to the website yesterday. :mellow:

This is great for new customers that have not yet taken delivery of this item. For the rest of us, this information should have been made available a long long time ago.

It seems possible that after the change was made from machined to cast accessories, the baseplate may have suffered by inconsistencies in the tightness when locking down and also in tolerances.

From what we've personally seen and also read from other users, this is a common problem on this particular part (baseplate), and one that was not spoken of in the original descriptions. (possibly because the machined version did not have this problem). If that is the case and this problem is due to the changeover, it would be nice to see RED offer another solution for those who purchased the baseplate (base production pack), whether this is a trade in or an incentive to purchase other accessories such as the cheeseplate. (maybe the chheseplate is added to the base production pack from now on?)

We have always been encouraged by RED to offer our feedback both positive and constructively critical.

Just some thoughts, but hopefully there is a solution. We only hope to help RED make the product better.
 
My shoulder dovetail is rock solid. I use two 3/8 screws and it never moves.
 
Hey folks, just trying to check in and dig around and find out what the final verdict was on the quality control of current RED accessories delivering?

I understand the current batches are cast and not machined and as a result there are differences in the finishing and quality etc but was was REDs final final answer to this? Are the machined days over?
 
Everything will be just fine.

Jarred Land said:
We have addressed the finishing irregularities with a new process. This is a running change that is almost complete.

Most of the parts we have sent out were just fine ( as reported here ) but some of you may have gotten some parts that don't have a finish that lives up to expectations. You can contact customer service and send them back, and we will update them with the new finish.

Just under 7 minutes :)
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Evin Grant said:
Yes, all my accs. are the shiny/glossy black finish like in the store photo Except the bottom rod adapter which I'm not using because I need the 15mm base.
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Actually, they're not shiny per se, but satin finished. More of a dark black anodized alumimun. Just trying to be accurate here!

The pic up at the top of the frame looks like part of it is grey-ish, but the battery mount part looks (appropriately) black.
 
After a shoot last week we noticed that we were having a hard time sliding in the rods for the top mount on #511. We took a closer look and found the problem. This is a comparison to the top mounts that shipped with #96.

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The cast top mount doesn't have enough thickness to prevent it from breaking. I'm not sure if that's a result from being machined initially or the anodizing process, but clearly it's unacceptable.
 
BAD NEWS.
I was kinda on the sidelines here because the finish of the cast parts vs. the machined did not really matter to me. But I was quietly wondering about the strength of the parts.
I have noticed on my Arri cameras that cast parts seem to break more readily than machined parts, in general. Older SR handgrips, for example. I was in a rental house in Europe and a guy showed me a bin FULL of SR1 cast handles, all broken. the top handle on the SRs were also very suspect. Of course, the SR, the Red, and every other camera, should be held from the bottom with one hand if you're holding the handle with the other. That's just good AC habits.
But please, guys...
If we're gonna mount the top handle of the camera to 4 little screws, and then pick up the camera, the Optimo, the Panasonic 8.4", and all the rest, can we PLEASE MAKE SURE that someone with metallurgy expertise has certified that the brackets to which the screws are connected have sufficient shear strength and can "cycle" this load MANY THOUSANDS OF TIMES...
Guys, this is no joke. I don't care so much if the accessories have a ghetto finish. I DO VERY MUCH CARE if my camera and (more importantly) Cooke 15-40 hits the ground.
RED TEAM???
Harry
 
Tips of the side handles have to be tested for excessive stress as well.
It is the very end of the tip that holds not only the weight of the camera but the pressure from the clamping screw. Anybody wants to test yanking it out of the 19mm rod? It is $200 experiment though.
 
Just to chime in.

I've had the RED down in the tropics for just over a week.

The LCD arm is already rusting (even though I keep it in a bag with silica gel, when not in use) it has a nasty rust rash on the surface, and so are all the red hex bolts holding the cradle and other accessories together. When did manufactures stop using stainless steel, or for that matter proper finishing techniques?

I'll definitely be giving RED a call when I get back.
 
As long as these cast parts are part of the RED accessories line-up, I'm not buying any of them. I'd rather pay more for the machined ones.
 
Ed Watkins said:
The LCD arm is already rusting (even though I keep it in a bag with silica gel, when not in use) it has a nasty rust rash on the surface, and so are all the red hex bolts holding the cradle and other accessories together. When did manufactures stop using stainless steel, or for that matter proper finishing techniques?
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The RED arms are OEM'ed Noga arms so you might discuss with them as well.

I would simply order stainless steel for all the bolts. It doesn't cost that much.
 
This is certainly throwing me a curve ball as my order is coming up...hope to hear from RED soon cause I will need to figure out who to go to for my accessories.

I second Harry about the concern of strength over finish and its quite obvious these cast parts are not holding up. I know RED is working on this, I am confident they will remedy the issue as they always manage to do, I just wonder where it is on there priority list.

I am guessing RED's number one priority must be getting cameras out the door but at what cost?
 
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