Recording Sound Online from I/O Module?

[Michael Bakowski]

Hey, I hope RED would look at this because it seems like a problem. Does anyone know or has seen how to record audio form the Scarlet? I always thought the vents on the top are just cooling vents but are they a microphone? I was really wondering if they are because I have looked at Renders, Pictures, And watched walkthroughs of the camera with Ted and he has never and it has never been shown that you can record audio direct from camera. People are maybe going to say "Just buy a I/O Module" put after buying a $3,000 camera and putting another $1,750 on the base production pack then I would want some way to record audio. The Base I/O is $1,750. That means that It will $6,500 to get a working Scarlet. In that case they should start saying "It does 3K for 6K". I know that it is the best value against other cameras put is there anyway to record audio, even mini jack audio without the I/O? If not then RED should really evaluate that problem.

 

[Anthony Rinaldi]

Hey, I hope RED would look at this because it seems like a problem. Does anyone know or has seen how to record audio form the Scarlet? I always thought the vents on the top are just cooling vents but are they a microphone? I was really wondering if they are because I have looked at Renders, Pictures, And watched walkthroughs of the camera with Ted and he has never and it has never been shown that you can record audio direct from camera. People are maybe going to say "Just buy a I/O Module" put after buying a $3,000 camera and putting another $1,750 on the base production pack then I would want some way to record audio. The Base I/O is $1,750. That means that It will $6,500 to get a working Scarlet. In that case they should start saying "It does 3K for 6K". I know that it is the best value against other cameras put is there anyway to record audio, even mini jack audio without the I/O? If not then RED should really evaluate that problem.

If I remember correctly, there will be two audio inputs on the camera body itself.

 

[Gerald Menclik]

following the actual informations there will be two 3.5mm inputs on the brain for mic in - balanced with phantom power ...... xlr only on the i/o modules ....

 

[Stephen Gentle]

I plan on just using the balanced mini-jack connectors on the brain. I'll probably make some jack to XLR cables in various lengths of my own because most of the ones I've seen in stores are unbalanced. I'm sure RED will sell some high quality balanced 3.5mm jack to XLR cables though.

 

[Gerald Menclik]

I plan on just using the balanced mini-jack connectors on the brain. I'll probably make some jack to XLR cables in various lengths of my own because most of the ones I've seen in stores are unbalanced. I'm sure RED will sell some high quality balanced 3.5mm jack to XLR cables though.

and still we hope for threaded jacks ..... :iagree:

 

[Dave Blackham]

and still we hope for threaded jacks ..... :iagree:

Well 1/4 may be at a but not definitely 1/8, but I very, very, strongly suggest XLR, even if theres not space for two XLR 3's use an XLR 5 and make convertors from there. This is a professional camera so deserves professional connectors.

 

[Gerald Menclik]

sure, but there is still the connection to the brain, which is 1/8 ..... which will get weaker by time ... or am I missing something?

 

[William Scott]

Why wouldn't red put an XLR input on the scarlet it doesn't make much sense to me, to make a camera that shoots 3k images with the audio of a palmcorder. Thats totally BOGUS

 

[Gerald Menclik]

that's not the problem - you can get it anytime ... get a basic i/o module -> mini-xlr ... or get a pro i/o module -> full size xlr ....... the question/requirement is to make the 1/8 jacks contacting secure ....
if you need on camera sound only as reference there even is no need for high quality mics....

 

[William Scott]

The Base I/O is $1,750. That means that It will $6,500 to get a working Scarlet. I'm not going to cheap out on my audio.

I know to some people $1,750 isn't a big deal...but thats half a years rent, for an XLR jack. Which to me should come standard on a camera like a scarlet.

I want a camera that can grow with me as I grow as a filmmaker and that is my reason for wanting to get a scarlet over an EX1.

I still think thats BOGUS. It's going to be an awesome camera, I just hope I can still afford one.

 

[Gerald Menclik]

i see your point, but that you have a 1/8 jack doesn't mean its "cheap" audio ..... both jakcs are balanced and provide phantom power, so go with a good mic or two, use an adapter and there you are .....
you even can solder 1/8 connectors to your mic's cable ....

 

[Neil A Russell]

As an old radio guy, talk of adaptors just makes me cringe. No matter how well made they are adaptors are noise waiting to happen, best to go with the full house I/O if you want pro audio on Scarlet.

I did think that Red could squeeze in a logging mic right there where that cool red dot is right on the front, it could be a red grille instead of solid, no? :smile5:

 

[William Scott]

i see your point, but that you have a 1/8 jack doesn't mean its "cheap" audio ..... both jakcs are balanced and provide phantom power, so go with a good mic or two, use an adapter and there you are .....
you even can solder 1/8 connectors to your mic's cable ....

I'm not trying to sound negative. Scarlet is still a great deal.

I'll be getting one even with the added cost. I also understand that full XLR inputs might be overkill for some people, and that the 1/8 makes the overall price more affordable. It's going to be a great camera and I can't wait to get my hands on one.

 

[David Adamic]

I want a camera that can grow with me as I grow as a filmmaker and that is my reason for wanting to get a scarlet over an EX1.

As you grow, you'll figure out you want to hire a sound mixer and that your scarlet is no limitation at all. In fact, you'll be happy to free up your camera to move by having no sound cables at all going into it.

 

[Paul Whittington]

As you grow, you'll figure out you want to hire a sound mixer and that your scarlet is no limitation at all. In fact, you'll be happy to free up your camera to move by having no sound cables at all going into it.

Agreed - in fact, at $1750 you can buy a decent preamp/recorder which is better than having the cords running along the floor to your camera and into the I/O module. What I plan to do, for my hi-end shoots, is simply use my existing camera which has XLR, as a sound recorder. It won't be as efficient as using an audio recorder (what with all the tapes) but it will do the job for now.

 

[Dave Edsall]

I thought that I read somewhere that both Scarlet and Epic would have a small built-in on board mic for a scratch track. Does anyone know if this indeed is going to happen?

It would be great for syncing up music videos without having to attach a small mic to the camera.

Dave

 

[Andrei Gatu]

Go Pro

Go Pro

I thought that I read somewhere that both Scarlet and Epic would have a small built-in on board mic for a scratch track. Does anyone know if this indeed is going to happen?

It would be great for syncing up music videos without having to attach a small mic to the camera.

Dave

Yes! I do agree this would be a much easier way to edit. It helped me alot on Canon 7D. Seems red wants to:
Go Pro - Use a clapper :bath:

 

[William Scott]

I still want to have an onboard XLR input option for run and gun documentary stuff.

I know for some stuff getting a sound guy is a must.

However for a lot of the work that I have now, synced sound lets me move quickly and more efficiently.

 

[Marcus Versén]

Honestly, who dare to trust the Scarlets internal DAC?
No matter connection type, i wouldnt even think of use it if it wasnt on life and death.

... i know, my years as a live-taper with Apogee stuff has damaged my ears and my view on recording sound

 

[Stephen Gentle]

I still want to have an onboard XLR input option for run and gun documentary stuff.

I know for some stuff getting a sound guy is a must.

However for a lot of the work that I have now, synced sound lets me move quickly and more efficiently.

You do essentially have two on-board XLR sockets - electrically they're identical - they're just put through mini-jacks because there's nowhere near enough space for XLR sockets. You'll just need a cable with an XLR connector at one end and a mini-jack at the other.

People are constantly confusing the mini-jacks with unbalanced, crappy audio that goes through a cheapo DAC in a camcorder. They are not anything like this.