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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Real frame rates...

Tom said:
Chris, I cannot remember for sure if S35 Scarlet had 3K@60fps overcranking on the Nov 13th announcement, but I know for sure that FF35 Scarlet did, because I remember thinking that FF35 Scarlet's specs were just about a perfect fit for me.
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Tom,

I wonder how long 6k 72fps "burst" will be?

I understand that there is a difference between 3k and 2k, but do you think 2k at 72fps will suffice? Being divisible by 24 does allow for easy post ramping.

Cheers,
Chris
 
KnockOutFilms said:
I understand that there is a difference between 3k and 2k, but do you think 2k at 72fps will suffice? Being divisible by 24 does allow for easy post ramping.

Cheers,
Chris
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No. 2K bayer is closer to 720p than 1080p, especially in low light. IMO. You really need 3K if you plan to finish at 2K or 1080p.
 
Tom said:
No. 2K bayer is closer to 720p than 1080p, especially in low light. IMO. You really need 3K if you plan to finish at 2K or 1080p.
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It depends on who's 1080P. Most 1080P cameras are not really 1080P.

BTW, I didn't edit your post. I just hit the wrong button. Oops...

Jim
 
What I want is image quality in a camera. I have seen many 1080p cameras, and they all seem to have different IQ.
 
I don't think any features have really changed other than getting better. The only step back I see is the 150fps burst for scarlet from the previous 180fps, who cares. It does say custom on FF35mm Scarlet, so I would assume its ability's will all be relative to the maximum it can do but I don't like to assume so we will have to wait and see. :)
 
Jannard said:
It depends on who's 1080P. Most 1080P cameras are not really 1080P.

BTW, I didn't edit your post. I just hit the wrong button. Oops...

Jim
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yeah, no, i agree with you. most prosumer 1080p cameras are not legit 1080p, and none of them overcrank past "720p".

but what a lot of us are hoping for is a legit 3K@60fps or even 48fps on FF Scarlet. can you hook us up? :)
 
I'm definitely starting my RED career with a 2/3"-I Scarlet and by the time I have cash for the FF35mm, it'll probably have the 3K/60fps. :biggrin:

Aa-h, BTW,

The earlier I get the 2/3" Scarlet, the earlier I have a chance to earn money for the FF35mm one.

Just a thought. :bleh:
 
karapetkov said:
I'm definitely starting my RED career with a 2/3"-I Scarlet and by the time I have cash for the FF35mm, it'll probably have the 3K/60fps. :biggrin:

Aa-h, BTW,

The earlier I get the 2/3" Scarlet, the earlier I have a chance to earn money for the FF35mm one.

Just a thought. :bleh:
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Yeah but that doesn't mean you have to stop campaigning with me for Scarlet FF35 60fps@3K. :) :wink:
 
:weight_lift: :weight_lift: :gun: 3K@60fps!
 
it stinks how you don have like little stores in other states like FLORIDA that way i could do like hands on learning with my purchase and sony could come and sob over your "scams" that just have a possibility of running them out of business.

LIKE THE APPLE STORE!!!
 
Joseph Ward said:
Plus Anamorphic!:pinch:
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I can't see why it wouldn't have that, since it has fullframe at 6k...

For 24fps, I can't see this requiring more processing power, it should be just a firmware tweak.... if it doesn't I might begin to have some thoughts.

Sidenote: Isn't anamorphic damn expensive? :glare:
 
karapetkov said:
I can't see why it wouldn't have that, since it has fullframe at 6k...

For 24fps, I can't see this requiring more processing power, it should be just a firmware tweak.... if it doesn't I might begin to have some thoughts.
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Well this is the list that would make things more complete, if added to the well impressive specs!

Anamorphic on all Scarlets(except Scarlet 2/3 Fix Zoom),
Custom(Scarlet 2/3 Interchangeable),
Ramping(Scarlet S35, Scarlet FF35),
5K(Scarlet FF35),
QuadHD(Epic 645, Epic 617),
3K(Scarlet S35, Scarlet FF35),
2K(Scarlet 2/3 Fix, Scarlet 2/3 Interchangeable),
FF1080P(Epic 617),

All cameras should have,
Anamorphic(except Scarlet 2/3 Fix Zoom),
Hardlined EFP/ENG Remote Production, Multicam/Stereoscopic Live View(especially Scarlet 2/3 Fix),
Modular Connections on Every Side of the Brains(except the front obviously),
If it were possible to have Upgradeable Brains(like the RedOne), Sensors/Heat Management/Electronics, etc.

This would make the only real differences with the cameras be, the format sizes, and the prices for frame rates! :weight_lift:
 
Some people are truly crazy when it come to framerates, sure I can understand why people would want higher framerates etc but man these little processors have limits you know, I'm amazed at what these cameras will be achieving and yet people want more wtf is wrong with you people??? take the epic ff35 it does QuadHD at 150fps isn't that enough? my aging computer absolutely chokes when I try to edit 3840x1200 images and this camera will be crunching 150 frames that are twice that size every second. Cool... you people that want even faster framerates you all sound crazy enough to try duct taping two epics together to double the framerate, ha :)

Peter Majtan said:
According to the same logic - could we get the 617 EPIC for about $25K, if I only want it for stills - 1 FPS? I can't honestly see that many motion pictures to be shot on this "baby", not until a PETA-Byte is a household name in the industry... :blush: But I know quite a few folks who will buy it even if it was 1 FPS only, as they all want it for still photography - just like me... :)
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I agree, if I had the cash I'd get 617 and use it for stills and shoot 4k video but right now I'm looking at one of the Scarlets but if you could get even a 645 that shot stills at 1fps and QuadHD at 1-30fps I wouldn't consider paying ~$11k to be unreasonable, dare I say this would be the "DSLR Killer" everyone wanted :) however I can understand Reds philosophy of shooting motion using the whole sensor first and then scaling down from there.
 
FF35 60fps@3K. That sounds good to me.
 
Shaocaholica said:
Usually the cost/performance curve is non linear.
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You are correct. It is non-linear. Exponentially higher for fast frame rates. Please give me an example to the contrary. Or an example of anything in this performance range at any price. Speculation of what things cost is cheap. Real development and BOM costs are not.

As for why, I have explained this several times before. Sensor, sensor yields, electronics, heat management, and low quantity production costs. While the latter may seem insignificant, it ends up being one of the major components. Here is the hypothetical:

1. Spend $1M in development and build 10. Add $100K to your cost per item to cover development.
2. Spend $1M in development and build 1,000,000. Add $1 to your cost per item to cover development.

This is pretty easy "Business 101". We have no agenda except to put as many features in our products in as many hands as possible. But if you want an EPIC FF35 for $1K, it isn't likely to happen... no matter how many we build.

Jim
 
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