Re-grade your footage...

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Just want to make sure I understand what FLUT is. Does FLUT only work if processing footage (from old and new Mysterium sensor's and camera builds) using the latest version of Redcine-X?

So FLUT is the processing of the RAW data in post and has nothing to do with the camera? The new MX sensor is just more sensitive to light and produces an image with less noise plus a few other goodies like less rolling shutter, black spot and so forth?

 

[Graeme Nattress]

FLUT REDColor and REDGamma were designed to get the best out of the new sensor. That they happen to improve old images too is just a bonus It's only available in the new REDCine-X.

It has to do with in camera because it helps you get a better image while shooting that carries more easily though to post.

Graeme

 

[Jannard]

The new MX sensor is just more sensitive to light and produces an image with less noise plus a few other goodies like less rolling shutter, black spot and so forth?

The new sensor is not more sensitive to light... it just has a much lower noise floor so you can push it further (use higher ISOs). Much less rolling shutter (comparable to a film camera) and black sun is fixed.

Jim

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

The new sensor is not more sensitive to light... it just has a much lower noise floor so you can push it further (use higher ISOs). Much less rolling shutter (comparable to a film camera) and black sun is fixed.

Jim

Thanks Jim.

Great info and also finally the black sun issue is gone. :hurray::hurray::hurray:

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Thanks. I think I get it now. So what is the new 320?

Other than noise I have personally never experienced any of the other problems.

Graeme so the new RCS is built into the newer cameras with the M-X sensor and works on the EVF and LCD for viewing purposes?

 

[Chris Kenny]

The new sensor is not more sensitive to light... it just has a much lower noise floor so you can push it further (use higher ISOs).

That's an interesting distinction. Does that mean 320 ASA is still ideal exposure with MX, if you want to actually see the sensor's full dynamic range?

 

[Justin Kirchhoff]

That's an interesting distinction. Does that mean 320 ASA is still ideal exposure with MX, if you want to actually see the sensor's full dynamic range?

In a few other posts it has been stated that the MX sensor is more or less 500 ISO.

 

[Frank Weeks]

In the past I have not done much CC using Red Cine. Usually as S-curve to improve contrast. I have been able to achieve great results using Color. Redcine-X is going to make the whole process quicker and easier. Here is a grab of footage shot back in 08. One untouched using Red space. The second with the NCS and a couple quick adjustments.

Hats off Graeme. My future work in Color will be shortened.

 

[Jannard]

In a few other posts it has been stated that the MX sensor is more or less 500 ISO.

I think there is significant confusion on this topic. Let me see if I can make it more clear.

The M-X sensor will shoot a range of ISOs, just like the original M sensor. Since the M-X has a lower noise floor, the ISO range is much larger.

The higher the ISO, the more highlight protection there is and the more noisy the image gets. So we recommend a range of ISOs that give you enough highlight protection for the amount of range in the scene... and still satisfy your "lack of noise requirement".

If you are shooting a low contrast scene that doesn't need a lot of highlight protection... ISO 250-500 works for both sensors. At these ISOs, both are super clean. The M-X is cleaner.

You start to test your noise threshold for the M sensor at ISO 640. The M-X is still super clean at 800-1000.

Both sensors have the same sensitivity. Some confusion in the past was that an incident light meter did not match mid-grey with a RED ONE. It will in the next Build... as M-X does now. The FLUT™ Color Science needs to also go into the camera to get the full advantage of its capabilities. Again... that is coming soon.

Jim

 

[Justin Kirchhoff]

I think there is significant confusion on this topic. Let me see if I can make it more clear.

The M-X sensor will shoot a range of ISOs, just like the original M sensor. Since the M-X has a lower noise floor, the ISO range is much larger.

The higher the ISO, the more highlight protection there is and the more noisy the image gets. So we recommend a range of ISOs that give you enough highlight protection for the amount of range in the scene... and still satisfy your "lack of noise requirement".

If you are shooting a low contrast scene that doesn't need a lot of highlight protection... ISO 250-500 works for both sensors. At these ISOs, both are super clean. The M-X is cleaner.

You start to test your noise threshold for the M sensor at ISO 640. The M-X is still super clean at 800-1000.

Both sensors have the same sensitivity. Some confusion in the past was that an incident light meter did not match mid-grey with a RED ONE. It will in the next Build... as M-X does now. The FLUT™™ Color Science needs to also go into the camera to get the full advantage of its capabilities. Again... that is coming soon.

Jim

Jim, I thank you for clearing up the confusion for most of the newbies on here. I've been shooting with my R1 for two years now, so granted I recognize everything you have stated.

What I was referring to was the post about The Social Network and how they rated the sensor at 500 ISO. Understand we can shift the ISO, etc. My initial thought was that it was more sensitive. If it isn't, that's not a problem with me. I've been EXTREMELY impressed with the new noise floor and getting the extra umph I would need if I didn't get the look I wanted.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

RED1 with its old M sensor is still noisy at low light ISO 320 but with FLUT it looks much better.

Shot on R1-M with Canon 50mm FD L f/1.2 @ wide open f/1.2, ISO 320, FLUT 1.6, the light source is from iPhone's "Just Light" app.

From REDCINE-X: Shot on R1-M with Canon 50mm FD L f/1.2 @ wide open f/1.2, ISO 320, WB @ RC-X, FLUT 1.6, the light source is from iPhone's "Just Light" app.

Download 4K JPG file>>>

 

[Rodrigo Lizana]

To me, the other benefit of REDColor/REDGamma is that it offers a standard starting point for your footage, that looks good, and offers a great grading starting point. This helps remove indecision on what setting to use.

Graeme

The fastest you´re able to turn the camera on and start shooting the better. This is one of the good things about film.

 

[Jannard]

The fastest you´re able to turn the camera on and start shooting the better. This is one of the good things about film.

So that assumes you don't have to load film (plus carry it with you)... swap magazines, unload and send to the lab... wait a day to see if you got the shot or if you had hair in the gate. Film actually seems like it is slower to me than waiting 72 seconds to fire up a RED ONE. Oh... and less than 2 seconds for every camera we make going forward.

Jim

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Thanks for the clarification.

The new sensor just has less noise, allowing you to push the ISO if you so desire without being penalized.

 

[Ben Holmes]

Would it seem pushy if I asked again if we need to use REDCine-X instead of Color at present to get the best results? To clarify: we cannot get as good a result in terms of colour balance and highlight roll-off when applying grades?

I have no real problem with either approach, but i've got used to the good results in Color and I finish in 1080p exclusively.

I would understand if RED cannot comment on future developments, I was just wondering where we stood today - albeit with beta software...

 

[David Battistella]

The fastest you´re able to turn the camera on and start shooting the better. This is one of the good things about film.

What if we compare shooting three hours on a mag vs. 11 minutes and the mag change time.

I am so tired of this stuff.

If you love film so much just shoot film.

there.

 

[shashbugu]

In the past I have not done much CC using Red Cine. Usually as S-curve to improve contrast. I have been able to achieve great results using Color. Redcine-X is going to make the whole process quicker and easier. Here is a grab of footage shot back in 08. One untouched using Red space. The second with the NCS and a couple quick adjustments.

Hats off Graeme. My future work in Color will be shortened.

Frank I share your Joy. This new Redcine-X or should I say the FlLUT and combined with lift gamma gain has actually changed my perception of the Red One. True we all got great results in Color, and AE, but what the company never understood was the deep gut wrenching feeling of leaving the very much appreciated sexy rawness of the R3D and loosing resolution to a different weaker Codec. The Only good conform and grading solutions are, Speedgrade, Scratch, Avid DS, Quantel etc. These are great programs and really nobody wants to be a colorist or negative cutter overnight (those fine folk are experts at their craft) but rather out ability to show clients and audiences that we shot with what we consider one of the most advanced imaging machines in the 21st Century. We want the actual footage of our sweat and blood to look as good as we had promised our wives, clients etc .
The Software angels at Red have finally heard our prayers and given as the three lords of the rings Lift gamma Gain. Now we wait patiently whilst they give us the rest of the package (the color range selector, a precise footage color grid, RGB curves, RGB parade, a vector-scope monitor, more video and Audio tracks, a split screen monitor to show grades before and after, and an SDK for third party plugins).

 

[christopher witzke]

I'm getting the beach ball everytime I click on something in the new redcinex.... macpro quad 12GB ram 8TB raid 5... no other apps running and a recent restart.... Any thoughts to make it faster?

danka!

( I know.. I know... Rocket.... but until then? )

 

[Martin Stevens]

So that assumes you don't have to load film (plus carry it with you)... swap magazines, unload and send to the lab... wait a day to see if you got the shot or if you had hair in the gate. Film actually seems like it is slower to me than waiting 72 seconds to fire up a RED ONE. Oh... and less than 2 seconds for every camera we make going forward.

Jim

TWO SECONDS?.........Is there anything in my "Dream Camera" that you aren't about to release onto the world? My guess is that the Red Digital Cinema company will not stop until they create a fleet of top of the line cameras, and then, even then they won't stop. For "we" shoot for the Moon, then Mars, then onto infinity..........
:cheers2:

 

[Jannard]

Would it seem pushy if I asked again if we need to use REDCine-X instead of Color at present to get the best results? To clarify: we cannot get as good a result in terms of colour balance and highlight roll-off when applying grades?

I have no real problem with either approach, but i've got used to the good results in Color and I finish in 1080p exclusively.

I would understand if RED cannot comment on future developments, I was just wondering where we stood today - albeit with beta software...

Right now... only REDCINE-X has the new color science. Actually, there are working prototypes of Pablo and Scratch with the new science. We are getting the SDK out to all so it will be in the apps as soon as they feel the need to implement it.

Jim