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RCX-Pro, FCPX or DaVinci... For Personal small Fashion Films/Shorts Editing/Coloring?

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Well,

I have posed myself several times this question before, and few times discussed here and there on Reduser as well...

This time I truly need o get in the Bang Wagon and LEARN basic Editing/Coloring enough to be able to take care of my own Personal Small Fashion/ShortFilms Projects I am mostly shooting solo...

My question to you expert Editors/Colorists is a simple one really, as I do not intend to become an Editor or Colorist by Profession...

In your Professional Experiences for those of you that have used all 3 Platforms in great extent...

Which one would be best suited for me to LEARN??

Meaning which one is the EASIEST, yet packs all that I would need in one single App. without the need to move form one to the other?

My brain can't handle multiple Apps... :(


Again, not looking nor pretending to be an Editor or Colorist by Profession, just to have a do it all App easy to learn and good enough to give me the possibility to bring my Small Personal projects to a Finished status.


THAKN SOS MUCH in advance for your honest and INFORMED suggestions and opinions.
 
Be aware that there's a steep learning curve with Resolve. But it's an extremely deep, well-designed application.
 
Hello
FCPX is the go. About twice as fast as Davinci or Redcine X Pro. Simple when you look properly at it. Use Davinci for problem color issues.
 
Paul Provost said:
Nah it's easy. Fusion, now that is a steep learning curve. Import footage, mark in and out points, then move those little color wheel things. Nothin to it.
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I've had to teach a few idiots Resolve, and most of them were in shock after the first few days, unaware of how involved and complicated it is. I've seen four or five people completely fall apart just trying to learn color correction in general, back in the day when it was about 50% easier than it is now.

I know VFX people who jump back and forth between five or six different compositing programs, and I'm always blown away that they don't have a problem with it. On the other hand, I once worked at a facility that had Pogle and daVinci 2K, and there were days when I had to do back-to-back client sessions in each room. It's kind of like driving a Mack Truck in England, vs. driving a speedboat in California: both moving vehicles, both have steering wheels and engines, but each a totally different experience accomplishing similar things.

Richard Luke said:
FCPX is the go. About twice as fast as Davinci or Redcine X Pro. Simple when you look properly at it. Use Davinci for problem color issues.
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FCPX is a toy compared to Resolve for color. Even the simplest sessions I do involve curves, keys, windows, and clips, most of which aren't possible in FCPX. It's apples and onions.

It'll be interesting to see how editors approach Resolve 12 once that's available in July.
 
Marc Wielage said:
I've had to teach a few idiots Resolve, and most of them were in shock after the first few days, unaware of how involved and complicated it is. I've seen four or five people completely fall apart just trying to learn color correction in general, back in the day when it was about 50% easier than it is now.

I know VFX people who jump back and forth between five or six different compositing programs, and I'm always blown away that they don't have a problem with it. On the other hand, I once worked at a facility that had Pogle and daVinci 2K, and there were days when I had to do back-to-back client sessions in each room. It's kind of like driving a Mack Truck in England, vs. driving a speedboat in California: both moving vehicles, both have steering wheels and engines, but each a totally different experience accomplishing similar things.


FCPX is a toy compared to Resolve for color. Even the simplest sessions I do involve curves, keys, windows, and clips, most of which aren't possible in FCPX. It's apples and onions.

It'll be interesting to see how editors approach Resolve 12 once that's available in July.
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Actually FCPX has Keys and Power Windows. As I said its great for 90% of jobs. Ask Mark Toia. Resolve is far advanced but still clunky and I agree its harder to learn initially.
 
Richard Luke said:
Actually FCPX has Keys and Power Windows. As I said its great for 90% of jobs. Ask Mark Toia. Resolve is far advanced but still clunky and I agree its harder to learn initially.
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Personal preferences are funny things. I've always been a FCP guy, but I find it clunky for color and prefer Resolve.
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
Well,

I have posed myself several times this question before, and few times discussed here and there on Reduser as well...

This time I truly need o get in the Bang Wagon and LEARN basic Editing/Coloring enough to be able to take care of my own Personal Small Fashion/ShortFilms Projects I am mostly shooting solo...

My question to you expert Editors/Colorists is a simple one really, as I do not intend to become an Editor or Colorist by Profession...

In your Professional Experiences for those of you that have used all 3 Platforms in great extent...

Which one would be best suited for me to LEARN??

Meaning which one is the EASIEST, yet packs all that I would need in one single App. without the need to move form one to the other?

My brain can't handle multiple Apps... :(


Again, not looking nor pretending to be an Editor or Colorist by Profession, just to have a do it all App easy to learn and good enough to give me the possibility to bring my Small Personal projects to a Finished status.


THAKN SOS MUCH in advance for your honest and INFORMED suggestions and opinions.
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Ciao Ketch :) :)
I use Premiere 2014, simply because I think it is better than FinalCut-x, but mostly because I can be on two different systems without problems and WIN OSX.
Anyway, I'm on the idea of Paul, if they do not want to learn, try Davinci Resolve, for the cut is very simple, and you have a good system for color.
 
luigivaltulini said:
Ciao Ketch :) :)
I use Premiere 2014, simply because I think it is better than FinalCut-x, but mostly because I can be on two different systems without problems and WIN OSX.
Anyway, I'm on the idea of Paul, if they do not want to learn, try Davinci Resolve, for the cut is very simple, and you have a good system for color.
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My only experience is Adobe Premiere (you can just buy that one app and not have to pay for the whole Cloud, I think)

When they added Lumetri looks to Premiere and lately have included some Redcine abilities into the GUI, it has become easy to throw a decent look on an image or footage.
 
Ketch, you are being very modest, I know you know your way around the NLE's. But for what its worth... especially for fashion film I would think Resolve would be the best program to get acquainted with. The NLE part of Resolve is very new but full featured to do basic editing. Its a culmination of all four NLE's as in PPro, fcp7, Avid and Fcp-x. Borrowing easiest interface features from all. its also free. Did I say free? oops sorry, I meant FREE. In the world of software free means not that good or crippleware. Not Resolve. Your short form fashion films will shine with this software. Anybody who will tell you otherwise has not edited with it and will give you their opinion based absolutely Bullcrap. Here is the catch. Its not going to be as fast as PPro, and you will have to invest in BlackMagic hardware to do any external monitoring. Buying the dongled copy will also get you hardware for scopes. for your personal projects all of that won't be necessary as the built in scopes are pretty good.
 
Elsie N said:
My only experience is Adobe Premiere (you can just buy that one app and not have to pay for the whole Cloud, I think)

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YEp Elsie.
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If starting from square one, I'd mess with Redcine-X. It can only one-light, but by learning it, you'll also learn a lot of good stuff about your camera and what it can do. Then follow up with either Resolve or FCP-x, at which point you should ask whether you want a color correction program that allows you to edit (Resolve), or an editing program that allows you to color (FCP-x). Where do you want to put the accent?

Redcine is the easiest to learn - but it won't do it all. To do it all, you'll need to expand beyond it, once you get comfortable with the basics.
 
Guys,

Thanks so much for you kind inputs, truly much appreciated!!

I of course have been playing with RCX since the beginning, but only to process R3D's lightly, very lightly that is, not for editing nor coloring, and I will of course continue to use it, especially now with this new series of Fashion Films form which I'll need to use ADD to extract Frame Grabs to print.

My absolute GOAL is that to ONLY use ONE App. for all my Editing /Color needs, round tripping is not an option, I just don't have the time nor the head to really learn two extra Apps.


So all considered, and based on the info shared, because Color, is my most important and primary concern, with my work to come, DaVinci Resolve seems the absolute best and only choice here.


I have Joined "Film Simplified" for the stiffer Color Grading Curve in DaVinci, and I will be looking for some other Davinci Resolve for Editing Resourses, so if you know of very good lessons on line, please do share them here, Paying for them is not a problem but they must be very good ones, as I have stopped trying some time ago when trying to find some lessons which they were horribly boring and confusing.


Is RippleTraining a good source? They charge $49 for their DaVinci Resolve 11 Editing Lessons. $215 for their DaVinci Resolve Essential Training Bundle.


Again,

THANKS SO MUCH!!
 
Lynda.com has 3 tutorials available for resolve. I haven't watched them all but did peek at the scopes tutorial (Resolve 11). If you subscribe to the premium level $375 a year you get access to working files and can work along with instructor. You can sign up free for 10 day trial and get a taste.

I like the fact Lynda instructors are very polished in delivering information in a pleasant tone and cadence. You can also follow the written script like close captioning. The 10 sec rewind is also helpful.

Good Luck
 
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