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Raven Queue Put Together

crop factor it´s 1.8

ex: if you use a 16" in raven you need put a 8" for have a 16"image and it´s not the same

look this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhkSfSlmIY

Published on May 17, 2016(8 days ago)
First test shoot on my Red Raven. Shot handheld, at 60fps/120fps at 4.5K. Mostly ran with my Zeiss 18mm Distagon ZF. No ND,


the video is very plane I have this zeiss 18 and its complete cut the image and very diferent angle distorsion
 
Kristopher Colavecchio said:
No, it has the same Dragon sensor technology its just a smaller size with a limited data rate. I assume he was referencing the crop factor from the smaller sensor vs the 5 and 6k versions.
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OK good. I love how people mix terminologies on the whim. Just wanted to make sure. :-)
 
Daniel Stilling said:
I know I have been kind of the "crop police" around here, trying to fix these DSLR derived misconceptions. But all I really need to do is to point out this for those that haven't seen it:
https://britishcinematographer.co.uk/haris-zambarloukos-bsc-gsceye-in-the-sky/
It shows that "Eye In The Sky" was shot by a BSC DP in 4.5K on the Dragon sensor. I guess he didn't think the "dreaded" crop factor was something to worry about...
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Well then... if that doesn't matter... according to the Coen brothers, neither does changing lenses:
http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/19277-filming-movies-on-one-lens-30mm-ish/#comment-134452

And, if sensor size + lens don't matter... come on someone... make a damn feature film with an iphone.

Editted to add: Oops too late:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/28/7925023/sundance-film-festival-2015-tangerine-iphone-5s
 
When it comes to terms like crop-factor - they are inevitably "relative" terms and you needs to specify your reference.
Folks with motion pictures background use S35 as the standard, where the 35mm relates to the width of the film strip as it passed the camera vertically.
Folks with stills background use FF35 as the standard, where the 35mm relates to the height of the film strip as it passed the camera horizontally.
The S35 has been golden standard in cinema industry for decades and this is why many cinema lenses do not cover sensors larger the S35.
This is why folks with motion pictures background do not talk about crop-factor.
This terms comes from stills world and only risen with the switch to digital sensors - which were (for the most part) "cropped" versions of the film gate.
As DSLR begun to be used to film motion pictures - the term crop-factor inevitably entered the motion pictures industry.
So in general (and yes - there are exceptions) folks "complaining" about crop-factors come from stills / DSLR background.

This is one of the reasons why I like the Scarlet MX and now the Raven so much - as they pretty much match the S35 motion pictures format and feel very natural to me.

So nobody is wrong (or right for that matter) when it comes to this subject.
We just need to recognise that these days people come to the motion pictures industry with various backgrounds and are used to different terminologies.
Having said that - just like I advocate that people should learn the language of the country they decide to live in - folks who come to the motions pictures industry should learn and adopt the "cinema" language...

Just my two yen...

:sifone: Peter
 
Kabilen Mullaithilaga said:
Well then... if that doesn't matter... according to the Coen brothers, neither does changing lenses:
http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/19277-filming-movies-on-one-lens-30mm-ish/#comment-134452
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Well luckily we're in the modern age of camera technology where we have this magical thing called "interchangeable lenses". You can compensate for the narrower FoV from a smaller sensor by using a wider FoV lens. Easy.

If shooting on the Raven's native ratio of 2.1:1 or wider, the crop "factor" is only 1.08 when compared to Super 35. Negligible.

So Deakins/Coen brothers like to stick around the 27-40mm range. On Raven you would need a 25-37mm if shooting 4.5K 2.4:1.

Fincher likes sticking around the 27mm area as well. A 25mm on the Raven would do it.

Next in line, please.
 
+1 , complete agree.

Raven it´s a good camera, I think it´s perfect for comercials and it´s better than all the other cameras like bm ursa mini or panasonic etc etc , but you need full range i think for do a more creative work.
 
Kabilen Mullaithilaga said:
Well then... if that doesn't matter... according to the Coen brothers, neither does changing lenses:
http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/19277-filming-movies-on-one-lens-30mm-ish/#comment-134452

And, if sensor size + lens don't matter... come on someone... make a damn feature film with an iphone.

Editted to add: Oops too late:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/28/7925023/sundance-film-festival-2015-tangerine-iphone-5s
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+1 , complete agree.

Raven it´s a good camera, I think it´s perfect for comercials and it´s better than all the other cameras like bm ursa mini or panasonic etc etc , but you need full range i think for do a more creative work.
 
Guys this is a queue thread! Please feel free to talk about crop factor in another place thanks :)
 
Sorry Luca... but... please allow me to do one last post before it resumes back to this discussion of queue.

Peter Majtan said:
When it comes to terms like crop-factor - they are inevitably "relative" terms and you needs to specify your reference.
Folks with motion pictures background use S35 as the standard, where the 35mm relates to the width of the film strip as it passed the camera vertically.
Folks with stills background use FF35 as the standard, where the 35mm relates to the height of the film strip as it passed the camera horizontally.
The S35 has been golden standard in cinema industry for decades and this is why many cinema lenses do not cover sensors larger the S35.
This is why folks with motion pictures background do not talk about crop-factor.
This terms comes from stills world and only risen with the switch to digital sensors - which were (for the most part) "cropped" versions of the film gate.
As DSLR begun to be used to film motion pictures - the term crop-factor inevitably entered the motion pictures industry.
So in general (and yes - there are exceptions) folks "complaining" about crop-factors come from stills / DSLR background.

This is one of the reasons why I like the Scarlet MX and now the Raven so much - as they pretty much match the S35 motion pictures format and feel very natural to me.

So nobody is wrong (or right for that matter) when it comes to this subject.
We just need to recognise that these days people come to the motion pictures industry with various backgrounds and are used to different terminologies.
Having said that - just like I advocate that people should learn the language of the country they decide to live in - folks who come to the motions pictures industry should learn and adopt the "cinema" language...

Just my two yen...

:sifone: Peter
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Alright, I'd like to learn the "cinema" language... direct me towards it please.
 
Raven #664 "Le Prince" has arrived and she's absolutely beautiful.
My previous camera was an URSA so I almost wept when I pulled the brain out of the box and felt just how light it was.

It felt like a long time waiting eight months to receive this camera but I can already tell that every day was worth it.

Thanks so much to my Bomb Squad rep, Austin Cooper, and the surprisingly awesome people at AbelCine (Brian Byrne, Andrew Finkel, Lauren Lees, and others) who took great care of me once I transferred my order over to them.

raven_664.jpg
 
Justin Litton said:
Raven #664 "Le Prince" has arrived and she's absolutely beautiful.
My previous camera was an URSA so I almost wept when I pulled the brain out of the box and felt just how light it was.

It felt like a long time waiting eight months to receive this camera but I can already tell that every day was worth it.

Thanks so much to my Bomb Squad rep, Austin Cooper, and the surprisingly awesome people at AbelCine (Brian Byrne, Andrew Finkel, Lauren Lees, and others) who took great care of me once I transferred my order over to them.

raven_664.jpg
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So stoked for you Justin! Glad we could help... and damn, that is a gorgeous setup!
 
Andrew Linga said:
Any new allocations? Looks like no one has said anything... I wonder if they will at least pass the 24 hour mark by the end of the month.
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Unless there is a massive blast on Tuesday, I doubt it. With the holiday weekend especially, I think we may be closing out the month looking at the same queue plus a few more allocated. Now totally just speculating but Id assume that if theres another big blast at the end of next week it would have to be a high majority of Ravens again just because the other production lines are going from a stand still so probably wont see the allocations for the first SW and Weapon units being produced again for another week or however long it takes to go from assembly to inspection etc.
 
I was allocated and paid last Wednesday, I order on September 25 at 7:55 am mountian time.
 
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