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Rants

A. Clint Litton said:
(Andras...sorry to take your post and get tangential with it...no disrespect intended.)
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It's hard to keep a rant thread going ... anyways I don't think I'll be asked to be a Tattoo ... so the excitement has diminished for me ... I'll probably just wait for the Stage II or Stage III offers, (weigh them against the ARRI, Sony, Canon and Panasonic worlds) nothing to add or say on the Epic front unless I have one. I am going to confine myself to RED ONE and RPP's and Workflow issues. I think I'll check back (on the Epic and Scarlet news) in 30 days to see what's happening. Time to make a Movie!
 
If Red can still deliver a 3K camera for 3K I think they should do it. It won't be the scarlet but it doesn't need to be. There is a serious market there and people will gobble them up. Not sure Red has the support team to handle a huge influx of service calls so that might be another reason to not want to sell too many cameras at this time.

Even if Red released baby scarlet for 3K and it didn't have half the features of Scarlet that is ok because the camera priced around 3K won't have them either - At least the current crop of VDSLR's. The focus should just be a solid image, Red Codec, proper frame rates and some professional I/O.

Would be exciting to see what might be born with these affordable baby scarlets running around. Then again, we don't know how much the price will increase for Scarlet so maybe this is all for nothing. Even 3K for 4K still sounds yummy :)
 
2007 - $17K for a 4K camera body
2010 - $2.5K for a 3K camera body
2012 - ???

See the improvement there?

RED is gonna release a dead cheap camera capable of professional production someday.
Unfortunately it doesn't look possible as of now.
 
A. Clint Litton said:
When can we invest in Red Digital Cinema stock? I'm looking to round out my portfolio with a company I believe in.
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I find it a bit hard to imagine Jim & co. kissing up to shareholders...

(Andras...sorry to take your post and get tangential with it...no disrespect intended.)
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No problem...
 
Pietro Impagliazzo said:
2007 - $17K for a 4K camera body
2010 - $2.5K for a 3K camera body
2012 - ???

See the improvement there?

RED is gonna release a dead cheap camera capable of professional production someday.
Unfortunately it doesn't look possible as of now.
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which body is $2.5k? Though I see the point, I think it'll be the lowest that it will go, from this point forward it'll be innovations...so more VALUE for the money.

$4,000 = 28K Monstro sensor with similar features to Epic...some day...
now just imagine what the high end will be!
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
most of these complainers arent even RED customers right now.. they expect RED owes them something.. I find it baffling.. I havent even gone to scarletuser yet.. that must be a nightmare
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Like David said, Scarlet User is actually not nearly as bad as it is over there. Sure, after the 10/30 announcement there as a little bitching but not NEARLY as bad as it is over here. Reduser gives me a headache sometimes.

We're all actually pretty chill over there. Come on over to our neck of the woods and see for yourself.
 
Thanks Alex Kornreich for reminding us of the obvious.

"Paranormal activity has grossed $70M, and is still going strong. Shot on a 5 year old 1080i DV camcorder. Wouldn't have made a penny more if shot on the Red."

A student filmmaker complaining that they can't buy a cheap Red, that's staggering. And most of the other complaints about price. Maybe if they all concentrated on better stories instead of gear we'd have some better movies to go see. Also footage from Michael Moore's "Capitalism" was shot with the Canon HV20, a $500 camera and it looks stunning on screen. Red is doing a great job changing everything, and that's not easy to do.

Story first!!
 
The message here is, "RED is great. Wish they did something around $3K too. We know they planned to."

I really don't understand why people think that they should start lecturing people on (a) how they should shut up if they aren't even customers yet (well, duh, that's the entire point, they WANT to be customers), and (b) how they should focus on everything but the gear. This is the forum of a gear maker. We are discussing gear here. OK?
 
Yes, they did plan something. Then the 5D started getting used, then the 7D came out etc. etc.

They had to up the game to ensure they could be competitive. It suddenly looked like the low end would be serviced by Canon so they needed to up the stakes.

Everyone wants to know what happened to 3k for $3k.

In my opinion, this is what happened.

What I don't understand is what everyone wants.

If they want to vent that something they hoped would happen didn't, I completely understand.

But many posts seem to almost be a kind of protest or suggestion of bait-n-switch.

This is what I get frustrated reading. Red has been very generous and open, and always will be.

The one thing they promised was everything is subject to change and that's the nature of the business. Seems like everyone was fine with that until something changed. :willy_nilly:
 
I can't speak for anyone else, but myself, I think RED's raw file format and superior high-speed sensors and modular design would still beat the 5D senseless in the motion picture department.

I don't think the 5D can be considered a serious motion camera, just as I don't think even a 5K RED can be very seriously thought of as a stills camera (with <10 Mpixels).

I loved the idea of 3K for 3K. I wasn't sure about 3.75K for 3K, but knew that the price was still subject to change. RED might have gone down in specs and price, but apparently they're going up in both.

As RED is a young, agile, open-minded company, I don't think it's unreasonable to hope that one day they'd create a specced-down version of the fixed-lens Scarlet and squeeze it into a lower price category.

I think the DMSC concept will only fly in the high end, simply because of resolution issues. A Scarlet will only be a stills camera as much as a 5D or a 7D can ever be a movie camera.

I think devices below $5K will be more single-purpose (with a compromised secondary function), thus there would be room for the 5D and 7D and a low-end Scarlet; with the RED always winning in motion and Canon always winning in stills.
 
I think you all have a right to complain, thats your right. But you also need to see this operation from the other side. The Red company needs to make sure they do not lose money. If they did Red would fail as did Beta Max.
Operation costs change as does the technology and I think many of you including me get spoiled with the amount of technology that have be given to us in the last 7 years. I am not sure if many of you remember lugging around a BVU -110 tape machine or worse a BVH-500. Look at where we are now.
The Red company has given you a opportunity to play with the big boys. Its not the perfect camera( that does not exist). Be happy they are still pushing the technology and try to understand their point of view not just yours.

Tims post above was correct.
Some people are builders and some are producers.
Do I have Reds yes, in fact I ordered number 11-15.
The way to make money is to lead not to follow.
The camera does not make to project, the story does. You don't need all the MB,FF,filters,etc to make a project.
Be happy they at least tell you whats going on with their ideas or directions, what other company does that?
There was a film contest where everyone had to use a Fisher Price camera. Yes it did exist and it recorded to a Audio cassette.
 
For the millionth time: I don't want RED to sell a $4000 camera for $3000. I want them to MAKE a $3000 camera and sell it for $3000.

Sell tons of it. Make a lot of money. Get filthy rich in the process.

And what gives you the impression that we're not shooting anything in the meantime? I've been shooting with Super8. I've been shooting shorts with Canon PowerShots, for goodness' sake. But I've been holding off buying a $2000+ cam for what's currently nothing more than a hobby to me (not shooting weddings or the like), as I hoped RED would deliver something in the $3000 segment.

Don't know what to do, I'd hate to invest into basically any other cam that I know I'd always compare unfavorably to a RED and end up having to sell at a large loss. I guess I'll borrow and rent stuff. And keep hoping that either RED enters my segment, or I grow into RED's segment.

No need to tell me basic truths about how cameras don't make movies (but people do). Also no need to argue that good tools aren't important. They are.
 
The original Scarlet was also a marvelous camera.

No modularity or expandability, just compact and cheaper.

I guess RED will make a camera like this in the future, everyone will love and it's gonna be RED grade.
 
OK. This is the rants section. So there...

I just saw Paranormal Activity. Kindly please everyone refrain from putting this film forth as any kind of a model to follow.

The film draws from the fact that a decade has passed since Blair Witch Project, and apparenly every ten years there's room for passing off a dreadfully lame fake amateur movie with purposefully lousy footage as some kind of cult horror.

Oh, and there was [Rec] and its U.S. remake Quarantine and also Cloverfield with a similar hand-held cheap camera theme, though with incomparably larger budgets. So maybe I was wrong about "once every ten years," and this is a trend now (shudder).

Paranormal Activity is a successful business venture, but a miserable failure as a film. It has no cinematography, direction, plot or acting to speak of. It's also highly unoriginal. I hope and pray that young aspiring filmmakers will not try to emulate its success.

Besides, the cheap camera was a gimmick. If you're telling people to ignore the equipment and focus on the story instead, well, the only genre where your suggestion might work is the fake home video genre, which is a (thankfully) limited niche.

Oh, great things announced this week, though. Gotta start saving up...
 
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