PRORES RECORDING

[raphael vdb]

Hi,

I’m going to shoot a feature with a Red Weapon Helium. Maybe in ProRes 4444 2k. In order to get less datas. Indie production !
I will record IPP2 files with Primary Only (RWG / Log3G10).
Output color space : Rec 709
Output Tone Map : Medium Contrast
Roll-off : Medium

I apply the following lut with DaVini Resolve 14 : RWG_Log3G10 to REC709_GAMMA22 with MEDIUM_CONTRAST and ROLLOFF_3 size_33 v1.1.cube
When i apply a different lut named RWG_Log3G10 to REC709_GAMMA22 with MEDIUM_CONTRAST and ROLLOFF_1 size_33 v1.1.cube , there are many banding effects on the image, due to RollOff’s choice. Is it normal ?

Has anyone already shot with this set up ?
I hesitate with 7k redraw 12:1 files...

Please forgive my english…

R.

 

[Oron Cohen]

Storage space is so cheap nowadays.
Say you're shooting 15:1 ratio for a 90min feature (so you have plenty of takes from each shot), 90minx15=1350min. You can shoot 7K HD 8:1 and just get 2 12TB drive (1 is a backup) for around $1500. (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1123838-REG/g_technology_0g04093_g_raid_thunderbolt_2_usb_3_0.html?c3api=2572%2C113041717267&gclid=CjwKCAiAhfzSBRBTEiwAN-ysWIiPR8LtJzeF59wVaPv8zgVrHYsXF4YkprE1t5sKmUBgHLsnkdXKxhoCc0cQAvD_BwE )
Even for a low budget film it should be doable, and you as a DOP should push for it as it will give you more options in post, don't you think?

 

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

Shoot R3D

 

[Kyle Stryker]

Storage space is so cheap nowadays.
Say you're shooting 15:1 ratio for a 90min feature (so you have plenty of takes from each shot), 90minx15=1350min. You can shoot 7K HD 8:1 and just get 2 12TB drive (1 is a backup) for around $1500. (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1123838-REG/g_technology_0g04093_g_raid_thunderbolt_2_usb_3_0.html?c3api=2572%2C113041717267&gclid=CjwKCAiAhfzSBRBTEiwAN-ysWIiPR8LtJzeF59wVaPv8zgVrHYsXF4YkprE1t5sKmUBgHLsnkdXKxhoCc0cQAvD_BwE )
Even for a low budget film it should be doable, and you as a DOP should push for it as it will give you more options in post, don't you think?

Unfortunately on some low budget productions the editors like to get creative with all that resolution, without including the DP.

 

[Marc Wielage]

I agree: absolutely shoot R3D files, and then for editing, transcode to HD files for editing. At the end of the process, bring the original R3D camera files into your color/conform software and relink to those for the final delivery.

Definitely don't shoot in 2K, even if you have a 2K or HD release. Shoot at a reasonable resolution like 6K. Do a test first to make sure the files will work well through the process.

Unfortunately on some low budget productions the editors like to get creative with all that resolution, without including the DP.

I can think of some fairly high-budget productions where the framing is changed on many shots as well. On the shows I've worked on, the DP is invited to the sessions and generally has seen the edit so they're aware of how and why the composition has been changed. I think I've worked on at least 100 films in the last 5 years, and all of them have had some reframing as part of final color -- some with drastic changes, some only minor, some steadying (to compensate for a shaky shot), sometimes an actual dynamic push in, sometimes just a very minor crop. And stuff also sometimes gets flipped and flopped, and speed changes happen all the time, too.

 

[Bobby Farokhzad]

The benefits of shooting raw are worth their weight in gold. Once you get into the coloring stage you will realize just how important the raw data is. Always shoot at the highest resolution with the lowest possible compression and downsample to whatever final deliverable, hard drive space is not a major factor these days.

 

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

Unfortunately on some low budget productions the editors like to get creative with all that resolution, without including the DP.

That happens on very high end shows too.

 

[Sabovic Adis]

Hi,

I’m going to shoot a feature with a Red Weapon Helium. Maybe in ProRes 4444 2k. In order to get less datas. Indie production !
I will record IPP2 files with Primary Only (RWG / Log3G10).
Output color space : Rec 709
Output Tone Map : Medium Contrast
Roll-off : Medium

I apply the following lut with DaVini Resolve 14 : RWG_Log3G10 to REC709_GAMMA22 with MEDIUM_CONTRAST and ROLLOFF_3 size_33 v1.1.cube
When i apply a different lut named RWG_Log3G10 to REC709_GAMMA22 with MEDIUM_CONTRAST and ROLLOFF_1 size_33 v1.1.cube , there are many banding effects on the image, due to RollOff’s choice. Is it normal ?

Has anyone already shot with this set up ?
I hesitate with 7k redraw 12:1 files...

Please forgive my english…

R.

Setting the "3D Lookup table interpolationl" to "Tetrahedral" helps usually.

 

[raphael vdb]

Many thanks guys.

I will definitely shoot on 7k raw ; it's so better !

 

[Sabovic Adis]

Break a leg! :wink5:

 

[Mestizo Devon]

2k 4444hq is that 12bit

 

[Björn Benckert]

I would go for something like 10:1 8k or 7k and prores proxy 2k files on the side. Then you can skip the DIT and get a more low cost Data wrangler that only check footage and move from mags to drives / does not need to render files for editorial.