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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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I would echo the comment made earlier to not forget all those who have followed this project from its conception but who don't have the financial means or (even more basically) the need for a Red One.

I for one will be at NAB '08 and will be fighting the masses for a space in that reservation line for Scarlet even though I have no interest (read: means) of acquiring a Red One.
 
i think the fact that he is even building this mini-camera, having fulfilled his own personal dream and specs with RED ONE, is evidence enough that he has not forgotten the folks who can't afford RED ONE.

there are a lot of people for whom RED ONE was a big stretch and a risk. the real proof of loyalty to the dream is in the pudding, period. i didn't have the money for this camera in the bank when i put down my thousand bucks. i do now. in fact, i have the money for 2 cameras, which i can't wait to spend. jim gave everyone equal time opportunity--and plenty of it--to earn the money for a RED ONE. he guaranteed my thousand bucks plus 10%. nice. and gave me enough lead time to find a way to pay for it.

some folks, who couldn't or didn't fulfill their orders--now are selling theirs. my whole business endeavor may fail (looking good so far, but it may very well fail...i'll know 3-5 years from delivery how it all works out).

you can't compare hanging out on a forum with the actual risks that others are taking to pay for these cameras and then trying to build a business and a decent ROI, using this great tool. you just can't.
 
Scarlet....hmmmm...she sounds like a hottie...she hasn't even appeared and everyone is goin nuts over here....damn I want one too....only for me....precious....

and now for real...red one is a bit of far stretch for me...but scarlett just might be the perfect gal...sorry camera for my needs....when can the early beleivers expect that reservations will be possible...
 
preference..

preference..

Preferences for red one res. holders would be totally justified but a real bummer, you could be first on the list for a scarlet and find yourself #3500 (spoken like a true non red one reservation holder of course- dang)
 
I will just hope i can get my hands on one before end of 2008 .
Spec wise i would love 2k, HD SDI, Flash based record to CF or RED drive , EVF or LCD,
similar mounting options as the cages for this little one to be able to mount it in various ways .
 
reduser priority too

reduser priority too

to echo again -

I firmly agree that reservation holders have invested in RED - and great to see this recognised by the RED team.

as i'm still currently finishing a degree - I'm not in a financial position at the moment to reserve a red one + accessories and lenses, but have followed progress from inception to our first working shoot with a red one camera earlier this week.

it would be wonderful for RedUsers to also have an option to reserve scarlet after the reservation holders of red one have their chance.

in the meantime i'll keep saving - the Red One was a joy to use...
 
Jannard said:
The "believers" have put up with a lot... from delays to beta cameras. It is only fair they get a 1st crack. Although we do expect to sell a lot more Scarlets so production will be high from the beginning. And "she" will be completely finished before one leaves the door.

Jim
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Jim, I love the way you think!

Sign me up for 2.
 
Jannard said:
Of course we will give Scarlet priority to reservation holders. We just aren't thinking about how to do that yet.

Jim
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I would think that e-mails could be sent out to the RED ONE reservation (and current owners) in the order of their reservation to get first crack on reserving Scarlet.

I know I'll be at NAB 08 and probably with one of my RED's to film the event(only if allowed)


Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com
 
What if you have been a believer in RED since the begining, you just couldn't afford to buy a RED ONE. Maybe if you are a student filmmaker you could get an early reservation or even a special student filmmaker discount?!?!?!?!??!?!
 
Sounds like the quantities are going to be such that it may be a moot point who has a reservation...anyone who wants this camera will likely get it and hopefully in short order. Having said that, I personally think it should be available to everyone on a first come, first serve basis. There are many reasons outside of "true belief" why a person may not have jumped on board with RED One from day one, some of which have already been mentioned here. While it's nice to have preferential treatment, I think there is a limit to what early adopters should expect when it comes to brand new products that are not accessories, and in the long run I think RED will build more good will by not continuing to reinforce this separation.

Just my opinion, and I speak for only myself. And having stated it, I'll take two Scarlet cameras please...
 
Sam Druckerman said:
No worries, Brook.

I'll order two, one for me and one to.........


rent to you .... LOL


This time I want #19, sorry Blair..... but#19, she must be mine:-)
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DAMN SAM!!!,

How can you just toy with a guys soul like that....heheheh
 
Tenshredd7 said:
What if you have been a believer in RED since the begining, you just couldn't afford to buy a RED ONE. Maybe if you are a student filmmaker you could get an early reservation or even a special student filmmaker discount?!?!?!?!??!?!
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Red's body is already on razor thin margins, if not being a loss leader outright, he can't afford to give student discounts.

I have a feeling that the reservation system for Scarlet won't mean as much. Jim has said he won't ship until Scarlet is 100% done, which means the time lapse from Scarlet #1 and #1000 could be, a month.
 
As has been mentioned, there are a lot of us who have been believers from the start, who just couldn't afford the $17,500 for camera + the additional $10,000 to $40,000 to realistically use it, edit, maintain, etc... However, I've been talking up the camera to established filmmakers, DPs, producers, etc, since the first time I heard about the camera. I was visiting red.com when it was a logo and a picture of race cars on a white background. I check this site around five times a week or more, reading everything I can to understand the camera. And I have a few shoots coming up where I plan on renting the Red One. And I'm sure there are many out there in the same boat.

At the same time, there are a few members of this board who didn't need to think twice about dropping a $1,000 deposit, whether they really believed in the project or not. (To some of them, even $65,000 is a casual investment in equipment.) I'm certain there were people who thought they would almost certainly get their $1,000 back when the whole thing fell apart, but bet on a long shot and are now kind of stunned that a camera is coming their way. (I've read many posts saying "we should have a such-and-such, and I'd gladly pay an extra $20,000 for it.")

I do think it's fair to allow current owners (and those with pre-orders) to get first dibs, although I would PREFER that it's first-come-first-served.

But my real point is that having money shouldn't be the sole criteria for judging "belief." Clearly there is overlap, but there are many poor believers (like me) and many doubters who are pretty well-off.
 
bhtdmc said:
But my real point is that having money shouldn't be the sole criteria for judging "belief." Clearly there is overlap, but there are many poor believers (like me) and many doubters who are pretty well-off.
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That's well said. There isn't a way of judging "belief". I know Ill be spending just about all my money I have saved up since I was sophomore or junior in high school; This was back when I wanted an XL2 and it had just came out. My parents made a deal with me that if I got straight A's they would let ME buy the camera with the money I had been saving up. Then my mom and dad bought if to surprise me after 3 years of all A's and then a bad grade in calculus. Then RED was introduced and I started following it since. Now I'm putting all the money I make from stringing tennis rackets into that account to buy the camcorder, or rent one for a film I want to do. Or shoot a short to get more funding for the feature. Now that Scarlet is introduced, I'll probably buy one if I can afford it, and if it is what I am looking for in a new camera... But just because I couldn't afford to buy a RED ONE shouldn't restrain me from buying a Scarlet.
 
bhtdmc said:
But my real point is that having money shouldn't be the sole criteria for judging "belief." Clearly there is overlap, but there are many poor believers (like me) and many doubters who are pretty well-off.
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That's well said. There isn't a way of judging "belief". I know Ill be spending just about all my money I have saved up since I was sophomore or junior in high school; This was back when I wanted an XL2 and it had just came out. My parents made a deal with me that if I got straight A's they would let ME buy the camera with the money I had been saving up. Then my mom and dad bought if to surprise me after 3 years of all A's and then a bad grade in calculus. Then RED was introduced and I started following it since. Now I'm putting all the money I make from stringing tennis rackets into that account to buy the camcorder, or rent one for a film I want to do. Or shoot a short to get more funding for the feature. Now that Scarlet is introduced, I'll probably buy one if I can afford it, and if it is what I am looking for in a new camera... But just because I couldn't afford to buy a RED ONE shouldn't restrain me from buying a Scarlet.
 
Well, it isn't entirely about money. Some people took a chance with their reservations, others could afford to risk it, and there are those, like myself, who were skeptical at first and waited for the goods (ie. frame grabs, renders, ect.) before plunking down a reservation. The camera, in my case, is a massive investment, especially considering that I never imagined I would buy a camera over $6,000. But the RED can do more than any other, so the investment was worth it. Because I'm making a heavy financial investment, I appreciate wholeheartedly any sort of perks that come with investing in the RED company itself. If RED were to make a cheaper camera that could satisfy my artistic needs shortly after already investing in their more expensive flagship product and not offering me any advanced notice or advanced priority to get one, what would that say about them as a company? Loyalty between a customer and a business is most successful when it goes both ways.

I'm not saying I'll buy a Scarlet right on the spot but I'm not saying that I won't get one. It depends on what it is and what it can do for me. As Jim has said, us reservation holders have gone through a lot with delays, issues, and feverish anticipation. Some projects have come and gone where I could have used the RED to great effect, especially this last school semester where I had a ton of film production classes. I saw my camera go from late August to early September delivery to November then to December and now sometime in the first half of 2008. New RED products are literally around the corner, some supposedly arriving this month, like the Nikon mount, and still I haven't had a chance to recieve and use my RED. Still, I take it all with a smile because of all the fantastic things people are doing with the RED, especially big 'ol Hollywood productions using the camera for certain things. With all of this going on, the least RED can do, even though they've already done above and beyond more than any other company has done to help all of us REDUsers as filmmakers, is to give us first peek at their latest.

As has been said hundreds, perhaps even thousands of times by now, thank you RED Team for everything!:sorcerer:
 
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