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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Premiere Pro CC or AVID Media Composer - advice needed

I've edited 90 minute docs with terrabytes of materirial in Premiere CC with no slowdown. Anyone who tell you that it slows down is not using it efficiently. But as for choice any one of the three will do the job, though you'll be jumping through the most late workflow hoops in FCPX, especially with sound. You can actually do an accomplished 5.1 mix in PrPro if you so desire, and rough mixes for screening for the exec are as good as you wish to make them. Each of the three is as fast to edit with as the other if you learn the best practices. Their speed is very much dependent on how you set up the workflow. But if native editing of multiple codec is very important then PrPro has it over the other two.
 
Hi David

For your 90 min doc, what was your workflow? Were you working with the native codecs or did you transcode to Pro Res?

PP would have been my automatic choice transitioning out of FCP 7 land BUT I did a lot of research online and found a lot of people flagging up issues with long-form edits.

Best wishes

Scott
 
Scott Brown said:
Hi David

For your 90 min doc, what was your workflow? Were you working with the native codecs or did you transcode to Pro Res?

PP would have been my automatic choice transitioning out of FCP 7 land BUT I did a lot of research online and found a lot of people flagging up issues with long-form edits.

Best wishes

Scott
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I might be biased but I would go Premiere Pro ;)

In all seriousness though, we just released 2014.2. It is probably the fastest and most stable version of Premiere we have ever released. Gone Girl was terabytes about terabytes of data and massively large projects. If you read the Gone Girl thread from Phil you will get a good idea of how hard we worked to nail that massive worflow. We have tons of long form projects going all and broadcasters all over the world are using or switching to Premiere.

So my advice is give it a try and if it doesn't feel right come here or the adobe forums and ask questions. Bet you will get the answers you want.

At any rate all the tools work, I just happen to think we work best. But again I am biased.

Cheers

Dave
 
FYI, we installed the works in a single nMP (Pro Tools, Avid, Resolve, Adobe and FCPX).

If you plan on using the Digidesign HDX cards on the same system as the UltraStudio, you have to switch Audio options on System Prefs (to the system of choice) and at times disconnect the Thunderbolt chassis housing that card.

Im not sure if there's been a fix of late, but thats how we get around having both on the same system.
 
That film was shot XDCam with 2000 clips a lot of stock from various sources, and was native all the way. It really depends on your hardware and your acquisition codec. If that's Prores HD you'll have little problems with a moderately powered system. My present 90 minute doc is mostly Dragon 5-6k and EXR from VFx sequences. I don't have the budget for a Z820 and a RRX card so I'm transcoding. But There's no slowdown or issues with long form unless people are short on ram or working with very underpowered systems. The only moderately slow process I see with CC 2014 is the load times with 5 channel double system clips.
 
I went from fcp7 to Premiere 6 a long time ago. Then came Premiere CC and i did not like it. to be chained by a software all the time was difficult for me. BUT, now, i have changed my mind. It is very easy to work from another computer : just connect to CC and wait sometime (depending of your internet connexion speed) and all your software environnment is ready and updated. And each time (2x or 3x per year) you bave an upgrade, it is more stable and quick). Speedgrade, aftereffect, audition, photoshop, illustrator,... I need them all.
So, I stay with Premiere, very happy with it !

Olivier
 
Scott Brown said:
Thanks again for all your input here guys, it has been very very helpful indeed.

Where are we? - we have pretty much installed ALL options into our main edit suite. FCP 7 (for legacy projects - not running to well under Mavericks though), FCP X, Adobe CC, Resolve and now Avid MC 8.

The two that excite me most are FCP X and Resolve, they feel right, not scientific I know BUT my gut feeling is they are the apps to watch. However, we have 12 hours of television to deliver in 2015 and we'll need to run several suites with editors working together throughout so it looks like we'll settle on Avid for this work. It won't be FX rich, just a seriously large amount of HD footage with basic cuts and mixes.

We have Avid MC 8 installed - we paid for an upgrade from 6.5 BUT first issue is that we have to wait for 5 days to get our activation code! Workaround was to install the 30 day trial and that's what we're running. We're running this on a new mac pro with a BMD UltraStudio 4K box for output - not that stable so we're planning on going back to V7 to solve stability issues.

Fortunately we have a very experienced Avid editor working for us so he's showing me the ropes and so far it's all going well. Project management is messing with my head right now as it handles projects completely differently from FCP 7 BUT I can see the reason and it makes sharing projects a walk in the park!

We have tried using Automatic Duck to open up legacy FCP 7 projects BUT this hasn't worked for us - we can get the timelines to open up BUT cannot relink media. Anyone figured this out?

I honestly never thought we'd go down the Avid route BUT it's making sense for our tv long form projects - for our corporate work though FCP X will most likely be our pick.

Oliver, thanks for the X2Pro information - another step closer to making FCP X the winner here :o)

Thanks again everyone. I'll keep posting on our progress!

Best wishes

Scott
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Glad you are giving Avid a fair shake. I've been working in broadcast for over a decade, and since the demise of FCP7...most of NYC is back to Avid (there are smatterings of Premiere, but nowhere the level FCP7 was at). Broadcast has embraced Avid once again, especially for longform and promo, where project sharing...and managing large amounts of footage...is often so critical (two areas Avid excels at).

If you have 12hrs of content to deliver to the BBC, then Avid is most likely a smart move (and a familiar one for the BBC, which can be convenient if you ever have to share project files or promo material with them directly).

Best of luck.
 
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If only Apple had left the FCP7 GUI up front with the under the hood improvements of FCPX...

If Apple put a "Classic 7" mode in FCPX that allowed the editor to interact with the program as if it were FCP7, but with the operations executed using the newer topology, it would be my NLE of choice. I'd probably be wasting keystrokes along the way, but like Mark, I'd rate FCP7 the most intuitive editorial tool I've ever worked with.

Cheers - #19
 
I'm curious to know where you ended up. I edited on Avid for many, many years and then switched to Adobe. the integration of their products has saved me a ton of time. I do have to edit every now and again in Avid and it just pains me to try and do what is so simple in Premiere (workflow, timeline stuff). I do love the Adobe integration, the updating allows for new and improved and the ease of editing just about any format in real time is outstanding.
 
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