Premiere CS6 and REDCINE X

[Will Keir]

After sending to RedCine via either XML or EDL all is well, I grade, then try and send back to Premiere. I either get a sequence that shows the clips but the viewer shows nothing but black, or I get an empty sequence.

Having the same trouble here. The edit in PPro is great, export to EDL and grade in RCX is excellent, then the next step gives me nothing.

I've fixed that problem for the next release.

Cheers,
David

David, when is this issue going to be fixed and where can I download the update?

 

[David Ibbitson]

Will,

The issue presented by the OP was fixed in build 15, which is available as a download or auto update.

Thanks,
David

 

[Will Keir]

I have build 15. It's going from RXC into Ppro. The file comes in but nothing on the timeline.

Will,

The issue presented by the OP was fixed in build 15, which is available as a download or auto update.

Thanks,
David

 

[Will Keir]

Please help. Anyone out there able to grade in RCX and use the graded media in CS6?

 

[Cory Petkovsek]

Please help. Anyone out there able to grade in RCX and use the graded media in CS6?

Is this a new topic? Please create a new thread. Yes, I'm able to grade in rcx and see it in ppro just fine. Make sure to reload your rmds or download the rmd refresh utility posted in the red adobe forum.

 

[Will Keir]

Not a new topic. I'm having trouble seeing any footage in Pr. because it's a blank timeline and bin. What exports setting are you using to get the RCX grade back into Pr. color graded?

 

[Cory Petkovsek]

I'm not clear on you whole workflow so I can't offer troubleshooting help without it. Here are a couple workflows I use that answer your question of "getting RCX graded R3D into premiere":

Grade RCX -> Premiere
-Open R3d in rcx
-Grade
-Save RMD
-Import R3D to Premiere and edit pre-graded R3Ds as desired


Edit Premiere -> Grade RCX -> Refresh Premiere
- Import and edit R3Ds in a premiere sequence
- Export sequence via FCP XML
- Import FCP XML in RCX
- Go through RCX timeline and grade clips, saving RMDs
- Go into premiere and either a) right-click each clip in project panel, source settings, reload RMD; or b) download the RMD refresh utility I mentioned.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...dcine-X-RMD-adjustments-in-Adobe-Premiere-Pro

There isn't much need to roundtrip the timeline itself from premiere to RCX and back again to premiere. You only need that for relinking proxies.

Now here is a more complex example with proxies:
Proxy Edit -> Grade RCX -> Premiere
- Generate proxies from all R3Ds (I use dnxhd, but any format should work the same)
- Edit proxies on some platform (say FCP or Premiere)
- Export FCP XML
- Import FCP XML in RCX and relink proxies to R3Ds
- Go through timeline and grade clips, saving RMDs
- Export FCP XML in RCX
- In premiere, import RCX FCP XML; All clips and timeline should load with pregrade
If you wish to adjust the grade, do so in source settings, or go back to RCX, load the clip and grade, then in premiere reload RMD.

As far as settings used on import or export, all the defaults are satisfactory except on the FCP XML import for proxies, I choose to replace unknown stuff with slugs.
Cory

 

[Will Keir]

- Having trouble bring my RCX grade back into Ppro -

In RCX. EXPORT > "Send FCP XML to Pr"

I then close RCX, open the XML I just saved with Ppro.

Premier Opens the project, no timeline. Sequence time is 0:00.

I can see the individual clips in the bin, but there's no timeline that I had editing previously in Ppro.

 

[Will Keir]

-Save RMD

Are you suggestion to save each file graded in RCX individually?

Then go to Ppro back to my original timeline edit.

Right Click my cuts individually, "Reveal in Project" to find the clip in the bin.
Then right click the clip in the bin, go to "source settings..."
Inside the source settings window, click "reload from RDM." Then "Ok"

Well that works, but I thought Ppro had this figured out to save us time? Which is why I am persistent with the question. Is the RCX export unusable in Ppro at the moment? Or am I possibly exporting my RCX grade incompetently to Ppro?

 

[Will Keir]

AWAITING UPDATE. TROUBLE SHOOTING underway.....

The round trip with Premier Pro and RCX Pro does work, here's the exact steps.

Edit in Ppro to your hearts delight. When you are ready for a RCX grade: "Export > Final Cut Pro XML"

Open RCX. "File > Import"

Point RCX to the directory of where the RED media is. Click "Import" and point to the Final Cut Pro XML you previously created.

Grade in RCX.

Having some trouble on the next step. The files come in, but they are not graded. Maybe the older 4k footage from our R1 is part of the trouble with saving RMDs. Testing on new epic footage now.
CONFIRMED: Editing in 5k epic footage the round trip works. Didn't realize older 4k R1 M would have trouble. Is there a way to update older R1 footage to work with RCX-Ppro round trip?

Will update....

 

[Cory Petkovsek]

In RCX. EXPORT > "Send FCP XML to Pr"

When I export the whole timeline, I choose File/Export Shallow/FCP XML

I haven't seen the FCP XML to PR option.

In premiere cs6, then I right-click in the project panel, choose import, select the xml and it all comes in, clips and timeline in a 5k sequence.

Are you suggestion to save each file graded in RCX individually?

Then go to Ppro back to my original timeline edit.

Right Click my cuts individually, "Reveal in Project" to find the clip in the bin.
Then right click the clip in the bin, go to "source settings..."
Inside the source settings window, click "reload from RDM." Then "Ok"

Yes absolutely, both exporting the whole timeline and manually correcting individual clips works. This method is ideal for correcting a few clips. As for the amount of work for correcting your whole timeline, thats why you use the utility posted in the forums, that I have continually linked to and it will do it automatically. There are other reasons you wouldn't want to round trip your whole timeline as you're likely to loose auxilary information. Far better to correct each clip, save the rmd and use the utility to reload RMDs.

Having some trouble on the next step. The files come in, but they are not graded.
...
CONFIRMED: Editing in 5k epic footage the round trip works. Didn't realize older 4k R1 M would have trouble. Is there a way to update older R1 footage to work with RCX-Ppro round trip?

Did you save the RMD on every clip? The workflow between R1 and epic is the same. I just confirmed this. After the edit, whether I simply grade the clip in rcx, save the rmd, and reload it in premiere; or export the fcp xml from rcx and reimport I have the sequence with properly graded clips in premiere.

 

[Will Keir]

Working through it still, thanks Cory. It's good to know that it's not a software issue and I just have to use the right steps. It's been a fun adventure in software world the last few days, these tools are so powerful.