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Playstation 4 will support 4K gaming

Sergio Perez said:
This makes sense. The next big push in HDTVs will be 4K, and the Playstation brand since the Playstation 2 has been a major tool to push Sony's other formats and vision for the home. I think we will see, in the PS4, actually some AAA games done in 4K. One very good move Sony did, for example, was to purchase AAA publishers and turn them first party. My bet is that we will see some sort of Uncharted in 4K and also a Heavy Rain sort of game, just to showcase the potential of both 4K gaming and entertainment. I wouldn't be surprised if the rumored Blu-ray drive of the PS4 is already 4K content compliant. What this means is that there will be probably a big boom of 4K Content request from not only Movie productions but multimedia platforms. The ferocious tablet resolution race might also boost this, with clients demanding sharper and better looking content to take use of the capabilities of these devices... Great times to be a Red owner, indeed!
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I just finished a shoot with Sony and Naughty Dog for an Uncharted 3 contest. They havent even outlined an Uncharted 4 so it may possibly be in 4K when developed. Although right now Uncharted 3 was only 720p so 4K would be a huge jump. I sure hope to see games like Uncharted in 4K. It is already so rich and vivid in detail.
 
Only gaming would be "limited" to 4k 2d, but it should be able to pump out 4k 3D video no problem (in the same way that the PS3 can only output 3D games at 720p, but it plays 1080p 3D movies no problem.)

Also games are supposed to be digital and disc, but the disc is essentially just the data (so you don't have to download it) and a keycode to tie it to your account. If true, used games sales are going to shit the bed...

Whatever, I'm gonna stick with Steam/PC.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember hearing about how Ivy Bridge is 4k, but I don't even know if it is since I cant find a monitor to run off one... Cuz the way I see it is even if its all 4k ready we ain't going any where fast if the screens cost 30k like the Sony model mentioned recently in another thread...I need a 4k Imac cheap if anything, I hope Apple can produce it this revision...
 
My Alienware laptop can play 4K 12-bit 4:4:4 without breaking a sweat.

I think LG is going to beat Sony to market with their 84" 4K TV, though, aren't they?

I wonder if the guys at cinematography.com still think 4K for the home is "decades" away?
 
4k televisions will land sub $10k next year. I saw a psychic and she said so. $4k-5k soon after that.
 
Tom Lowe said:
My Alienware laptop can play 4K 12-bit 4:4:4 without breaking a sweat.

I think LG is going to beat Sony to market with their 84" 4K TV, though, aren't they?

I wonder if the guys at cinematography.com still think 4K for the home is "decades" away?
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Well, since we still live in a time whem many, many consumers still watch stretched SD images on their HD monitors - even when the same channel is available in HD - I would say that the answer is not necessarily decades, but definitely not in the near future.
 
Brian Merlen said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember hearing about how Ivy Bridge is 4k, but I don't even know if it is since I cant find a monitor to run off one... Cuz the way I see it is even if its all 4k ready we ain't going any where fast if the screens cost 30k like the Sony model mentioned recently in another thread...I need a 4k Imac cheap if anything, I hope Apple can produce it this revision...
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Ivy Bridge was never 4K. The buzz about it being 4K was just shitty reporting by people who had no idea what they were looking at and FUD that was not corrected by Intel. Ivy Bridge has 4K video decoding capability. That means it can decode video that is encoded at 4K resolution (YouTube more or less) and display it at the maximum resolution of the GPU, which is not 4K or QFHD in the case of Ivy Bridge as it does not support 4K at all by design. Haswell, which is the successor to Ivy Bridge, may incorporate 4K display capability into the high-end GPU configuration but Intel's documents leaked thus far suggest they are holding 4K over for Broadwell as HDMI and DisplayPort should be the standards for display output by then and Intel's GPU tech should be good enough to deliver on that by then. If you want 4K, the only way to go is AMD's high-end cards. Nvidia has not enabled 4K on any of their stuff to my knowledge but current information suggests that a driver update could implement it in the near future on the current high-end Keppler GPUs while the generation after Keppler will have native 4K output on the mid and high end cards.
 
Good to know, thanks for the info! I was just about to run out and buy an Ivy Bridge MPB for a tech spec it apparently doesn't even have! Thanks for saving me some cash!
 
Tom Lowe said:
To me, 32" or 35" 4K monitor is the holy grail, at the moment.

Dell, where you at??
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For sitting at a computer monitor, yes, I want.

But for TV type viewing, we have a problem : Our eye only sees 1/60 of a degree of arc. ( must check this fact .... )
So on a 70" screen at 9 feet, apparently 4K looks the same at 2K. Give me a Homer Simpson 'doaaaaah' ;)

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/
 
M Most said:
Well, since we still live in a time whem many, many consumers still watch stretched SD images on their HD monitors - even when the same channel is available in HD - I would say that the answer is not necessarily decades, but definitely not in the near future.
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Famous last words. People have been doubting 4K for years now, and they have consistently been wrong, over and over again. The vast majority at c.com, for example, were literally predicting that 4K TVs would not arrive for the home for "A decade". This was two years ago. Bet against 4K at your own peril.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change#Kurzweil.27s_The_Law_of_Accelerating_Returns
 
Tom Lowe said:
Famous last words. People have been doubting 4K for years now, and they have consistently been wrong, over and over again. The vast majority at c.com, for example, were literally predicting that 4K TVs would not arrive for the home for "A decade". This was two years ago. Bet against 4K at your own peril.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change#Kurzweil.27s_The_Law_of_Accelerating_Returns
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I wonder if it really is the vast majority though? It seems like it's usually the same 3 or 4 really really loud people who don't actually work in the industry and have too much time on their hands that say that stuff over and again...

(Because nobody tells 'em to shuddup it sometimes seems like they "represent" the place. I don't think that's so.)

R.
 
Well when I used to spend time there, I often spoke about how 4K would come to homes in the next few years, through TVs, projectors, and through LCDs /OLEDs hooked up to computers, for gaming, photoshop work, etc. I don't think a single person there ever agreed with me, ever. Every person who spoke up claimed that 4K was at least a decade away for homes. They even denied that 4K was coming soon to theaters, despite the fact that thousands of 4K projectors had already been installed in US multi-plexes at the time they were denying it! It reminded me of the Iraqi Information Minister saying "There are no US troops here"... even as US tanks were visible behind him on camera. It got so silly, I had to stop wasting my time there.
 
I think the disconnect just comes from the difference between the technology existing and it being used on any common level. Half the channels on TV are still standard def, many people watch movies on their computers in 480P and 720P, there are still lots of titles yet to be released in 1080P, and most theaters show 2K DCP's even if 4K projectors are available, and 35mm film is still being used by many studio motion pictures, including Terrence Malick's new movie, which is not shooting as much digital as they originally announced. So yes, 4K exists, 4K monitors are coming to the market, some movies are being finished in 4K, a few are available to buy at 4K -- 4K is a reality. It has been a reality for a few years now already. But that's not the same thing as agreeing that 4K is going to become a common format for entertainment presentation this year or the next, it will take years, just as HD has taken years to become commonplace and yet there is still a lot of SD material out there being broadcast and watched every day. You still can't even get a 1080P version of "Lawrence of Arabia" or the Raiders movies until later this year, and it's 2012!

So one's perspective just depends on where you are standing. And I don't play computer games so whether or not some of them will be in 4K makes no difference to me, all I care about is movies.

If you want to get into the future prediction game, that's fine but realize that's it's easy to be right given enough time. People for years said HD was coming, HD was here, years before it became true.. but they were eventually right of course. Now the 4K is coming, 4K is here, etc. posts are being made and of course those people will be right eventually too. Who cares about the exact dates? Who cares if they said that film would be dead in 2010, then 2011, then in 2012 -- eventually they will be right and it won't matter if they were wrong the other times. So this whole thing seems a bit silly to get worked up about, who's right or who's wrong about predicting the future when what we are really just arguing over is a timeline.

Honestly if a consumer 4K monitor comes out in the fall of 2012, how many 4K titles for home consumption do you expect the studios to release in 2013? Very few, try 2014, 2015, etc. That's the disconnect between the technology being here and it being commonplace.

Back in 2000 when 24P HD came out many people said that film would be dead in 5 years, so I said more like 15 years given the actual pace of change on a practical level. And there's still a chance that someone will be shooting film in 2015, just a very small one.
 
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The real question should be:
Do you think you can see the difference on a TV set in a living room setting?
Your eyes only resolve 1/60 of a degree of arc. Can't get around that issue.
TV salesman do want to sell you a new TV set. 3D set sales flopped.
Of course there will be 4K sets for sale soon. Without a question. They have to sell something to stay in business!

The test will be this: do a 2K/4K splitscreen and stand back a normal viewing distance. Can you see the detail difference between the two sides ?
 
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