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Platinum IRNDs on Epic = BAD

Any updates on this topic I missed?
 
Any updates on the group test?
 
Formatt prostops weren't the pest performer with the Epic. They did well but there was still a top contender. I don't know what's being put together to share from the test so I'll leave it to someone else to get into all the details.
 
Phil Holland said:
Certainly surprising results. I won't spill the beans, but there's a new "good option" for IR protection.
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Hi Phil

Can you let us know the outcome of your IR Filter test - ie the new "good option" for IR protection?

Thanks!
 
Yeah. That's weird isn't it? I was waiting on some folks to publish that test a while ago. I've mentioned it on Reduser elsewhere, but......

After extensive (and boy do I mean extensive) testing I can recommend two IR/ND solutions for Mysterium-X sensors.


They are:

- Tiffen Hot Mirror IRND Filters - (filmtools link)
- Formatt Hot Mirror/Neutral Density Filers - (B&H link)

The Tiffens come in the range of 0.3-2.1. The Formatts go from 0.3-2.4.

As of this day, 04/23/2013, the Tiffen HMIRND provide the "best" possible image out of camera with the Mysterium-X under daylight and tungsten. The Formatts are close though and a bit cheaper for the set.

I had a full set of Formatt HMND filters in 77mm screw on and 4x5.65. The 77mm work well on still lenses. My Formatts 4x5.65s were magically transported away from me recently. At the end of next week I'm ordering a range of Tiffen HMIRND glass.


Dragon Thoughts: The new Red Dragon sensor and bodies will have enhanced IR protection through a new IR-OLPF design. Once I have a Dragon in my hand I will test literally everything all over again. It's said that we may not need IR protection due to the new tech, but until the testing is done we can't know for sure. For Dragon we'll likely be looking for filtration needs in the 0.03-3.0 range, which is nice because the Motion Mount covers exactly that range and everything in between. I'm sure the IR-OLPF will help or solve the IR pollution (or perhaps some combination of the new color science may assist with this). Where I'm concerned is deep filtration like 1.8-3.0.

Expect some fairly thorough tests again soon.
 
Thanks, Phil. I also have found Rosco IR Trucolor filter to work great on my Epic-X
 
Thanks Phil!

So the new Formatt ProStops didn't claim the crown despite their paper superiority - or were they not part of the test?

Best
Eric
 
Phil Holland said:
Yeah. That's weird isn't it? I was waiting on some folks to publish that test a while ago. I've mentioned it on Reduser elsewhere, but......

After extensive (and boy do I mean extensive) testing I can recommend two IR/ND solutions for Mysterium-X sensors.


They are:

- Tiffen Hot Mirror IRND Filters - (filmtools link)
- Formatt Hot Mirror/Neutral Density Filers - (B&H link)

The Tiffens come in the range of 0.3-2.1. The Formatts go from 0.3-2.4.

As of this day, 04/23/2013, the Tiffen HMIRND provide the "best" possible image out of camera with the Mysterium-X under daylight and tungsten. The Formatts are close though and a bit cheaper for the set.

I had a full set of Formatt HMND filters in 77mm screw on and 4x5.65. The 77mm work well on still lenses. My Formatts 4x5.65s were magically transported away from me recently. At the end of next week I'm ordering a range of Tiffen HMIRND glass.


Dragon Thoughts: The new Red Dragon sensor and bodies will have enhanced IR protection through a new IR-OLPF design. Once I have a Dragon in my hand I will test literally everything all over again. It's said that we may not need IR protection due to the new tech, but until the testing is done we can't know for sure. For Dragon we'll likely be looking for filtration needs in the 0.03-3.0 range, which is nice because the Motion Mount covers exactly that range and everything in between. I'm sure the IR-OLPF will help or solve the IR pollution (or perhaps some combination of the new color science may assist with this). Where I'm concerned is deep filtration like 1.8-3.0.

Expect some fairly thorough tests again soon.
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I've achieved the best results with the Tiffen IRND Hot Mirror combo.
 
Ted Parkes said:
Question: With the IRND combo filters ... Is there any issues with stacking? Technically you are doubling up on the IR .
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Don't stack IRNDs or any Hot Mirror/ND solution. It's not good.

However, you can stack regular NDs in front of a Hot Mirror/ND if you must.

The allure of Hot Mirror NDs for me comes from having not much glass in front of your lens, which to me is important on high resolution imaging systems.

So you can see why I'm all excited about Red's Motion Mount. And I'm not even talking about the global shutter, motion blur, strobe fixes that it also provides besides a built in ND. I won't be getting rid of my matte box when I get the Motion Mount because I still need eyebrows/flags, but I'm really excited about all the pros that come from this tiny dynamo.


ericyoung said:
So the new Formatt ProStops didn't claim the crown despite their paper superiority - or were they not part of the test?
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I need to take a closer look at these, but a friend sent me two images he shot on an Epic with them and I'd still say the Tiffen Hot Mirror IRND Filters provide the most color accurate solution.
 
Thanks Phil as I suspected and I feel the same .. less in front of the lens the better. Love the idea of the combo filters but I guess thats a commitment to the full set.
 
Thanks Phil, I have been reading and researching which IRND Filter to get, it's been weeks and the more I read the more confused I was, until I saw your reviews.
Now I just ordered Tiffen Hot Mirror IRND Filter, and I feel relaxed for once.
Thanks again!

Phil Holland said:
Yeah. That's weird isn't it? I was waiting on some folks to publish that test a while ago. I've mentioned it on Reduser elsewhere, but......

After extensive (and boy do I mean extensive) testing I can recommend two IR/ND solutions for Mysterium-X sensors.


They are:

- Tiffen Hot Mirror IRND Filters - (filmtools link)
- Formatt Hot Mirror/Neutral Density Filers - (B&H link)

The Tiffens come in the range of 0.3-2.1. The Formatts go from 0.3-2.4.

As of this day, 04/23/2013, the Tiffen HMIRND provide the "best" possible image out of camera with the Mysterium-X under daylight and tungsten. The Formatts are close though and a bit cheaper for the set.

I had a full set of Formatt HMND filters in 77mm screw on and 4x5.65. The 77mm work well on still lenses. My Formatts 4x5.65s were magically transported away from me recently. At the end of next week I'm ordering a range of Tiffen HMIRND glass.


Dragon Thoughts: The new Red Dragon sensor and bodies will have enhanced IR protection through a new IR-OLPF design. Once I have a Dragon in my hand I will test literally everything all over again. It's said that we may not need IR protection due to the new tech, but until the testing is done we can't know for sure. For Dragon we'll likely be looking for filtration needs in the 0.03-3.0 range, which is nice because the Motion Mount covers exactly that range and everything in between. I'm sure the IR-OLPF will help or solve the IR pollution (or perhaps some combination of the new color science may assist with this). Where I'm concerned is deep filtration like 1.8-3.0.

Expect some fairly thorough tests again soon.
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Jimmy Reynolds said:
Anybody tried the Platinums on the newer sensors? Ive got a helium but shoot on dragon from time to time?
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Heh. Good old fashioned 5 year bump!

My exhaustive testing and results would recommend different filters for any Dragon, Helium, Monstro, and Gemini sensor (and likely whatever comes out in the future).

There are much better options.

Particularly:
- Tokina IRND
- Formatt-Hitech Firecrest
- Schneider Rhodium
- Lee ProGlass IRND
- Etc....
 
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