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Pirates of the Caribbean 4

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Gabe, I'm just wondering if we are related in any way? I'm in the New Orleans area.
 
Shawn Booth said:
This is more of an opinion than anything. Why can't you shoot a period piece with blown highlights? If that's the director's vision...
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Well, of course it's all subjective...but there are conventions that are followed for good reasons. Take Public Enemies for example, a lot of people I've talked to found the 360 shutter and such really jarring and took them out of the piece. 28 Days Later on the other hand as a post apocalyptic zombie movie worked well being shot on DV tape. And I don't know any lay person who would have guessed that it was.

Shawn Booth said:
Again I ask you (your previous post) - It does? How so?
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Okay, well let's lay it out.

First, we're talking about Pirates of the Caribbean 4, so it seems very likely that they want the look to be the same as the first films. This is further indicated by them having the same cinematographer, Dariusz Wolski, even though the film's director is different.

Second, we know the film is going to be 3D which does lean toward digital since that's the only way to film 3D right now (the only case of 3D that's actually filmed using film now that I can think of is IMAX). The other option is converting to 3D in post, in which case it could be filmed using film (not entirely out of the question since Dariusz Wolski worked on Alice in Wonderland which used the post technique, although it was filmed digitally anyway). However, regardless, because of Alice we know Dariusz Wolski has shot on other digital cameras in the past, but is now choosing Red over them, which must surely mean something. There are other cameras like the F35 well known for their dynamic range that could be used in a 3D mount, but they've chosen Red MX over them.

Basically, I think you may be misinterpreting what I'm saying...I already knew this was going to be 3D, so it's kind of a given that it would be filmed digitally (again, Dariusz Wolski filmed Alice digitally too). The point is, out of all of the choices that are considered the best digital alternatives to film, they chose Red MX for a film following visually stunning films that were shot on film (meaning they'd want to get as close to that look as possible).

I guess basically, Pirates 4 = established look from previous films, meaning they'd pick the best digital camera to match film + Dariusz Wolski has used other digital cameras (which could be used in a 3D rig) which indicates he's not biased, but rather truly picking the camera he thinks is best suited.

Mickey Conway said:
Gabe, I'm just wondering if we are related in any way? I'm in the New Orleans area.
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Afraid it's unlikely, I'm on the opposite side of the country. Unless you have some Irish relatives from Boston? ;)
 
Gabe Conroy said:
Okay, well let's lay it out.

First, we're talking about Pirates of the Caribbean 4, so it seems very likely that they want the look to be the same as the first films. This is further indicated by them having the same cinematographer, Dariusz Wolski, even though the film's director is different.

Second, we know the film is going to be 3D which does lean toward digital since that's the only way to film 3D right now (the only case of 3D that's actually filmed using film now that I can think of is IMAX). The other option is converting to 3D in post, in which case it could be filmed using film (not entirely out of the question since Dariusz Wolski worked on Alice in Wonderland which used the post technique, although it was filmed digitally anyway). However, regardless, because of Alice we know Dariusz Wolski has shot on other digital cameras in the past, but is now choosing Red over them, which must surely mean something. There are other cameras like the F35 well known for their dynamic range that could be used in a 3D mount, but they've chosen Red MX over them.

Basically, I think you may be misinterpreting what I'm saying...I already knew this was going to be 3D, so it's kind of a given that it would be filmed digitally (again, Dariusz Wolski filmed Alice digitally too). The point is, out of all of the choices that are considered the best digital alternatives to film, they chose Red MX for a film following visually stunning films that were shot on film (meaning they'd want to get as close to that look as possible).

I guess basically, Pirates 4 = established look from previous films, meaning they'd pick the best digital camera to match film + Dariusz Wolski has used other digital cameras (which could be used in a 3D rig) which indicates he's not biased, but rather truly picking the camera he thinks is best suited.
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Gotcha. Wasn't misinterpreting you, just wanted a conversation about what you had said. Thank you.

I'm sorry if I came across as anything but literal.
 
Mark Collins said:
Oh. No offense to RED or anyone, but I thought Pirates looked really really good shot on film. I loved the cinematography in it, and the grain structure just seemed to work really well with the film. I was kind of hoping they would shoot the 4th one on film too.

Oh well. Congrats to the RED guys!
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My thoughts exactly. I am highly unimpressed at the thought of 3d also.
 
Something tells me this movie will be the first official Red Ray release :)

Sindre Saebo
Oslo, Norway
 
I hope they make a 4K DCP for the 2D version. My local theater recently upgraded to all Sony 4K projectors. Saw Robin Hood this week. The detail and overall quality was excellent, better than 2D Digital IMAX in my opinion.
 
It would make sense to do a 4K DCP at this time since A LOT of cinemas are upgrading (or already have). So it would seem befitting. Hmm, PoTC in 4K ... I might actually see that.
 
Like the idea of watching it 4k... but to be honest, I am super tired of the whole "Its in 3D! lets pay 7 dollars more a ticket!" crap. honestly not a fan of 3D. it just doesn't do it for me... its cool for about 5 minutes.
 
I know the Red-MX takes great pictures, I just thought this would have been a great debut for Epic.
 
This is great news for RED. Congratulations!

I haven't seen enough EPIC footage to evaluate this particular case, but given a budget such as POC, I too wouldn't shoot a period piece on digital.

In fact, as of today, I don't think I would shoot any story set in pre-1980 on digital, assuming the budget allowed me to choose whatever system I wanted.
 
Daniel Valle said:
This is great news for RED. Congratulations!

I haven't seen enough EPIC footage to evaluate this particular case, but given a budget such as POC, I too wouldn't shoot a period piece on digital.

In fact, as of today, I don't think I would shoot any story set in pre-1980 on digital, assuming the budget allowed me to choose whatever system I wanted.
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If you had seen the new footage at Red day, you might change your mind.
Very organic.
 
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