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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Peter Jackson clips and grabs...

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Desert Rune said:
Has some sort of spline interpolation been applied to these stills? They look nothing like the previous milk girls still images.
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Once again, although these images look fantastic, they are NOTHING compared to the actual film. The film was perfect, clean, and crisp, so anything you are seeing WASN'T and ISN'T in the actual footage, or REDCODE, or ProRes footage. So just be calm...it looks great!
 
Yash Keough said:
4K screening in Toronto eh? I like the sound of that one! :P Please make that happen Jim! :biggrin:

mmm...4K...:bleh:

Yash
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You'll be blown away Yash. The PJ film is amazing. Well worth my first trip to NAB.

I'd like to see some of that soon to be shot drag racing footage at the screening too!

Oh yeah.
 
We have a problem here... to package this stuff (including the clip) to a size that is downloadable, it just will NOT look as good as the 4K footage. We'll post, but need some understanding until we can figure out a better way to deal with 8 bit delivery to all of you. The 12 bit is incredible.

Jm
 
Maybe with really high-resolution images, in smooth out-of-focus areas, 8 bits is just not enough to avoid visible posterization. It makes sense- just for example- if you need 8 bits to have a visibly smooth gradient at 1024 pixels wide, then the math says you need 9 bits to see that same smoothness at 2048 pixels and 10 bits for 4096 pixels. And I don't know if that's even true, maybe you actually need 9 or 10 bits for smooth gradients at 1024 pixels, in which case 12 bits are needed at 4096.

I think one thing is, I'm used to seeing images that have more grain or noise, and that gives you a natural "dither" to smooth out any banding or posterization. Super clean images without added noise need a higher bit depth to give you visually smooth effects.

Can we get an option to add noise? :-)
 
Strongbad_2Z said:
Once again, although these images look fantastic, they are NOTHING compared to the actual film. The film was perfect, clean, and crisp, so anything you are seeing WASN'T and ISN'T in the actual footage, or REDCODE, or ProRes footage. So just be calm...it looks great!
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I agree. To understand what these images mean at this size, take a look at a full resoloution graded scanned s35mm frame to compare:

http://www.lasergraphics.com/us/files/directoroutputsample2graded.zip
 
And yes, the footage is pristine, there was none of the compression artifacts evident in these stills.

mmm... perhaps they could be replaced with .png or even eek- tiffs for download?
 
Bro Anansi said:
You'll be blown away Yash. The PJ film is amazing. Well worth my first trip to NAB.

I'd like to see some of that soon to be shot drag racing footage at the screening too!

Oh yeah.
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I'm looking forward to it! :P I guess somebody would need a Sony 4K projector though right? Are there any in Toronto that you know of? Just curious!

Yash
 
We could post TIFFs, but download size is a problem. We'll probably do that for a couple of them.

Jim
 
Bro Anansi said:
mmm... perhaps they could be replaced with .png or even eek- tiffs for download?
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Give us an inch... :) ;)

I kid. I'd absolutely love a tiff of the wide shot from behind the plane if the opportunity is there.

Any chance of one of those frames from the in-flight footage? That amazing shot where they're cutting through the trees? I just can't help but ask. Ignore me.
 
Perhaps you could add a watermark saying "Use your imagination!!!"

Just accept that the eyewitness accounts of no grain are true and enjoy the pictures.
 
Did Concrete forgive me yet? :-)

Jim
 
Whatever artifacts are due to compression, they still don't detract from how amazing these stills look. I mean to think 24/25 of these are shot every second is mind-blowing, and they only give us an impression of how good they'll look at full 4K.
 
Bro Anansi said:
mmm... perhaps they could be replaced with .png or even eek- tiffs for download?
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yeah...at least have the option of downloading one or two in that format, just to demonstrate the difference. The plane still would be a great example, as it seems to be the one that has suffered the most from the bit reduction.


EDIT...Jeezus you guys are fast, you've just made this whole post redundant :)
 
You can make a 16-bit-per-color PNG file but I'm wondering how do you properly view that on a 8-bit depth display? I'm guessing that most of us like me are using displays that only have 8 bits per R,G,B color.
 
Jannard said:
We could post TIFFs, but download size is a problem. We'll probably do that for a couple of them.

Jim
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That'd be great Jim, perhaps y'all could make em available through torrents to ease the bandwidth.
 
there is something wierd going on in these images.

before I get flamed, I dont think it's Redcode, but equally it's not JPG compression either.... something else is arwy JPG problms shows us as distinctive blocking, not as this posterisation/distortion.

Put it this way, I shoot with a 9Mpixel camera jpegs of about 2MB (bear in mind these RED jpgs are 6Mb and over), and my 2MB jpgs look perfect. even at 200% zoomed in; so I think there is some export or conversion mishap here...IMO

i do like the lok of the images tho, shame about the posterisation. thanks for posting these...
 
Jannard said:
Did Concrete forgive me yet? :-)

Jim
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No need to. I fully understand that you love your kid and that the REDCODE is an especially amazing accomplishment.

We have so much to thank you that you apologising to any of us feels kinda embarrassing.
 
Jannard said:
We could post TIFFs, but download size is a problem. We'll probably do that for a couple of them.

Jim
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Posting TIFFs would absolutely shut everyone up from pointing out flaws in the JPEG compression and browser color spaces. Maybe you could Torrent those, too?

I agree with you--after seeing it in person, 1K compressed and JPeg stills just don't do it justice. It was amazing. However, the 1K and JPegs, plus my words and enthusiasm will help explain the quality and the quantum leap in technology to my friends who couldn't make it!
 
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