Payment:

[Keith Alan Morris]

Uh, oh... I'm in deep do do. I sorta defended Bush on a post awhile back and Zakaree stated he wanted to plant a steel toed boot up Bush's ass. I do hope he will not hold a grudge in case I need tech support etc. :blush:

lol

i agreed with zakaree on giving Bushie a steel-toe enema. does that mean i get favors?

 

[Omnius]

A little out of hand

A little out of hand

You sound so pompous, please just speak for yourself and try not to push your sensibilities on to others. Your life decisions are your own and does not reflect the lives and the decisions of others on this board... Just keep it to yourself.

Kindest Regards

Method

Wow.

I don't see Jim's post being anywhere near "pompous". There was nothing affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important about it in the least. He was just being DIRECT and REAL.

This issue has really inflamed some nerves.
I sincerely apologize if I come across as callous and direct here, I just can't understand what the big hang up is.

I personally don't understand why a very small minority of people in here are taking this whole payment issue in such a negative light.
This is BUSINESS. Plain and Simple. There's nothing the matter with how Red wants their payment. Certified Bank Cheque, Cashiers Cheque, Money Order, Personal Cheque or Wire Transfer.

It seems that the only people who have the real problem with the above methods of payment are people who probably need to take a second look at their priorities in life, no offense, but when I hear people bleating and complaining about not being able to use the BANKS money to complete payment for this sort of equipment, and then turn around and say that they do in fact have the money with which to make payment, it all sounds like a whole lot of Bovine Excrement to me, if you know what I mean, and I'm not trying to be mean in saying that, so please keep an open and objective mind with what I'm trying to say here.

From Mom,

. . . I also must trust 30 years of business experience and a red flag has shot up when I read about the method of payment that is being floated for the RED. . .

Red flags?
Sorry, as I sincerely mean no offense to someone's mother, but that's just plain Rubbish.
It's also Rubbish to try to insinuate that Red is attempting to practice some sort of unethical or dodgy business practices with their currently established payment policy.
I would highly suggest that you do a little research. The people at the helm of Red are not some fly by night individuals who have just recently appeared on the business radar screen out of nowhere.
Does anyone here honestly think Red is going to turn around and Rip any of us off? If so, why the hell are you even here?

This company is doing something amazing and wonderful and incredible for all of us concerned. COME ON people! We're talking peanuts here compared to what else is out there, and there's complaints?

This is a serious issue that should be talked about. . . .

No, it's not "A serious issue that should be talked about". . . Red is giving you FIVE different methods of paying from how I'm seeing it. Each method is normal, legitimate and in no way out of the ordinary, regardless of what your mother's 30 years of business experience might tell her.
This is only a serious issue for people who can't seriously put their money where their mouth is. It's not that big of a deal. Send Cash, Cheque, Money Order or Wire Transfer. Sounds pretty simple and forward to me.

MONEY IS NOT THE ISSUE, THE PAYMENT METHOD IS. . .

I think the money is in fact the primary and central issue here and payment method has got nothing to do with it.
Once again. You want the Camera? You Got the Money? . . . Do you REALLY got the money? Cool!
You've got a number of fair options by which to pay.
Cash, Cheque, Money Order, or Wire Transfer.

 

[regista]

Obviously, make or break "small details" like this should be stated in advance, to avoid precisely the kind of reaction seen in previous posts here today. By not having made these specific terms patently clear in advance, it is easy to see why buyers simply thought the full balance outstanding would be automatically charged to the credit card used in the original transaction. It's common sense in the absence of specific information to the contrary. Had it been stated right off the bat, I'm sure many orders would not have been placed at all.

Because of this little "oversight," now those buyers directly affected by the revised payment terms will be punished for nothing more innocent than entering into an ill-defined commercial transaction in Good Faith. Not fair in my book.

I think the least RED can do now is to contact everyone who ordered a camera to notify them of these new payment conditions, with as much time in advance as possible to the actual order fulfillment date. Not everyone who ordered a RED subscribes or reads this forum on a regular basis, you know?

 

[number6]

lol

i agreed with zakaree on giving Bushie a steel-toe enema. does that mean i get favors?

You're in like Flynn

 

[Jim Arthurs]

Jim,
No apology is needed. It's just the way your previous post came across. Any way that was my knee-jerk reaction, I would simply prefer to use a Credit card and it has nothing to do with my finances, It’s just my personal preference.

Kind Regards

Method

It's all good. Bottom line, I sincerely hope everyone can get their RED in the way that works best for them.

This has been an amazing thread... certainly the most Alice in Wonderland moments I've seen yet on this forum. In fact...

... I petition we start a new sub-forum called M.A.D. (Mothers Against RED)

 

[Poi Boy]

Supported Bush..so you are the ONE.
-A

 

[number6]

Life.... life has been hard for me. Most people walk through a pasture and look doun and see shit, and walk around it. I walk in the same pasture and look up... and see bird shit falling from the sky and into my eye, from a very large bird. If my having to pay for the camera the way Kelly said is my bird flying overhead, then that is a very small bird. Forgive me if I sound like some Wallyanna. I know that others have higher expectations from life.

 

[number6]

Supported Bush..so you are the ONE.
-A

Yeah, everybody was piling on, and I can't help but stand up for the underdog.:blush:

 

[Brook Willard]

Everybody chill...

 

[Poi Boy]

chill ???
-A

 

[number6]

It's all in good fun.

 

[Omnius]

Everybody chill...

:cold:

 

[Brook Willard]

Heheh, I wasn't referring to the most recent discussion... older stuff... damn lack of reloading pages before I reply...

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Uh, oh... I'm in deep do do. I sorta defended Bush on a post awhile back and Zakaree stated he wanted to plant a steel toed boot up Bush's ass. I do hope he will not hold a grudge in case I need tech support etc. :blush:

im not political.. dont worry
You will get excellent tech service from me no matter what!
:sorcerer:

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

ps.. just so you know.. my tech stuff will be round the clock i am a machine.. i eat breath and sleep red.. so rest assured

 

[Unwounded]

Wow.

I don't see Jim's post being anywhere near "pompous". There was nothing affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important about it in the least. He was just being DIRECT and REAL.



It seems that the only people who have the real problem with the above methods of payment are people who probably need to take a second look at their priorities in life, no offense, but when I hear people bleating and complaining about not being able to use the BANKS money to complete payment for this sort of equipment, and then turn around and say that they do in fact have the money with which to make payment, it all sounds like a whole lot of Bovine Excrement to me, if you know what I mean, and I'm not trying to be mean in saying that, so please keep an open and objective mind with what I'm trying to say here.



This company is doing something amazing and wonderful and incredible for all of us concerned. COME ON people! We're talking peanuts here compared to what else is out there, and there's complaints?



No, it's not "A serious issue that should be talked about". . . Red is giving you FIVE different methods of paying from how I'm seeing it. Each method is normal, legitimate and in no way out of the ordinary, regardless of what your mother's 30 years of business experience might tell her.
This is only a serious issue for people who can't seriously put their money where their mouth is. It's not that big of a deal. Send Cash, Cheque, Money Order or Wire Transfer. Sounds pretty simple and forward to me.

I think the money is in fact the primary and central issue here and payment method has got nothing to do with it.
Once again. You want the Camera? You Got the Money? . . . Do you REALLY got the money? Cool!
You've got a number of fair options by which to pay.
Cash, Cheque, Money Order, or Wire Transfer.

This has less to do with payment method than it does with really being able to afford this camera. This package is super amazing for it's price..... but it's still a LOT OF MONEY. I think the people who are REALLY peaved are upset that their bubble has finally been burst. This is still a really expensive package to put together and not everybody can afford it. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but not everyone can have everything the want, that's just life. I'd love to have a 69 porsche roadster but you know what,.....I CANT AFFORD IT....and some people can't afford (TO OWN)a red package. Sorry.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Wait... 30 years of business sense tells you that someone not accepting a credit card for a large charge is fishy? Sure but:

Raise your hand if you pay a mortgage.

Ok.

Now raise your hand if you can make a mortgage payment on a Credit Card.

That's what I thought.

Now let's stop this bickering. Credit cards are for buying a slurpy at 7-11 and new inkjet printers.

If RED stiffs you for $40,000 and you for god knows why aren't willing to spend a few hundred for an attorney then there is always our friend the attorney general's office who lives to harass people into giving you money owed. Greatest Government Office Ever. Because the great thing about someone breaking the law is, it doesn't cost you a dime to get the law enforced you just have to alert the tax-funded machine that it needs to prosecute (or usually threaten to prosecute) a person attempting to break the law.

If your RED camera shows up and it's busted as hell the first question you ask yourself is "Did I buy insurance for this package?"

If the answer is "No." Shoot self in face.

If the answer is "Yes." Immediately ensure the UPS man hasn't left your sight yet, if you accept the package... it's yours. CHECK YOUR PACKAGE BEFORE SIGNING.

Ok. So now you have your RED. But it stops working 2 days later. The second question you ask yourself is "Does RED have a warranty?" If you don't know the answer.. see shoot self in face. If the answer is no.. Also see shoot-self-in-face. If you were diligent in your shopping and ensured that RED offered a legitimate warranty then you're fine. Ship it back. If RED refuses to uphold their warranty (See attorney general).

The simple fact of the matter is, you're not really getting any extra protection from your credit card that isn't offered through shipping insurance and the simple fact that RED will probably come with a respectable warranty.

It's in RED's best financial interest to keep you happy. Especially the first few thousand. It doesn't matter how good the hardware is in this industry if you're known not to take care of your customers. I'm sure RED wants to continue selling products for years to come so why would they let someone run around screaming to the heavens that RED doesn't honor their contracts? For what? To save a few hundred dollars? I'm sure their warranty policy will be insured so that their asses are covered if the factory in Taiwan has been producing key components out of chewing gum and arsenic so they don't care if it's broken or not, they've already payed their end of the bargain as it is.

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Would I wire 40k to someone on ebay? No. Because it's a wire-transfer? No, because I'm afraid the person isn't real and has got nothing to lose. The only reason you can be afraid of wiring money to a legitimate company is because you don't trust them. Do I trust them? No. I've never met a single one of them. Do I trust that it would be financial suicide for them to screw me? Absolutely! And in the end that's all that's important.

 

[Álex Montoya]

What's the point in showing off your youth if it shows so much?

And I wouldn't define Jim's post as pompous but as a bit patronizing.

 

[Curran Giddens]

Would I wire 40k to someone on ebay? No. Because it's a wire-transfer? No, because I'm afraid the person isn't real and has got nothing to lose. The only reason you can be afraid of wiring money to a legitimate company is because you don't trust them. Do I trust them? No. I've never met a single one of them. Do I trust that it would be financial suicide for them to screw me? Absolutely! And in the end that's all that's important.

I've never met any of the RED team, but I absolutely trust them. In fact, they are probably one of the few companies that I do trust and I'm sure they will provide excellent service and support. I bet the real reason that people want to use credit cards is to collect on all the various gimmicks that the credit card companies use to reel you in. Cash back, airline tickets, bonus points.... I wanted to collect some membership rewards points on my AMEX, so I could get a couple free items from amazon.com or other online retailer. But if RED has to pay 3.5% on $40k+ in processing fees, thats $1,400!

I feel like I'm already getting such a good deal that the least I can do is respect RED's preferred payment methods. I will just send a personal check the day I am contacted by RED for payment 30 days prior to shipment. No extra fees involved for either party. And 30 days is plenty of time for the check to get mailed to RED and then cleared in the bank.

 

[number6]

im not political.. dont worry
You will get excellent tech service from me no matter what!
:sorcerer:

Whew!

Although I expect the camera to work flawlessly and the manual to be well-written and well-interpreted in China by Chinese manual writers, still you never know. And just like it was once good policy to be on good terms with whomever was cooking your food, now-a-days its a good idea to be on good terms with tech support. Look forward to working with you Zakaree, should the need arise. Congratulations on your appointment to the Red Team!

P.S., I am a bit of a mercenary, myself, and will disavow Bush or Susan B. Anthony, Castro... anyone, if it helps me get good tech support. Just point out who, and I will disavow them immediately! edit: All except Finner. I'd go to the mat for that guy. Him I will not disavow!!! Not today, anyway.