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We have taken a bit of flak for filing a lawsuit against Sony Electronics.

#1. Sony stepped up and finally supported 4K from cameras to displays. That is helping to cement 4K as the real cinema standard. Good. We actually have a Sony 4K 84" display and Sony 4K projector at RSH for reference.

But...

#2. We are heavily invested in concepts, inventions, designs, development and manufacturing of RED cameras, REDRAY and the RED Projector. Each is unique and has motivated the industry to get better, for the benefit of all. We don't mind others joining the 4K revolution... quite the contrary, we embrace it. What we don't accept is others just borrowing our technology, intentionally or unintentionally. We admire invention and happily pay for and license great technology from other companies when it is useful to our program.

#3. We have created many jobs in the US leveraging our vision and technology and we will aggressively protect our employees. Every single job matters. It is a magic trick to build a camera in the US, especially at the highest level. This cannot be done if others are allowed to just take what we have done and use our work as their own.

#4. Our customers have invested in our technology. They need to be protected and their investment needs to be protected. We have an obligation to our customers so they will not have their investment diluted by a proliferation of the proprietary technology they invested in.

We don't mean to be heavy handed. We saw 4K as the future standard in 2005. We have endured comments that "RED was a scam". "1080P was good enough." "What does a sunglass guy know about cameras?"... as well as others I would never publish.

Patents are here for a reason. They protect IP. Receiving a patent now means that you have an obligation to protect it... or they have absolutely no value whatsoever.

We are anxious to resolve this and have everyone move along. But in the end... our ideas, employees and customers matter. We will tenaciously protect all of them.

Jim
 
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+1....

We have taken a bit of flak for filing a lawsuit against Sony Electronics.

#1. Sony stepped up and finally supported 4K from cameras to displays. That is helping to cement 4K as the real cinema standard. Good. We actually have a Sony 4K 84" display at RSH for reference.

But...

#2. We are heavily invested in concepts, inventions, designs, development and manufacturing of RED cameras, REDRAY and the RED Projector. Each is unique and has motivated the industry to get better, for the benefit of all. We don't mind others joining the 4K revolution... quite the contrary, we embrace it. What we don't accept is others just borrowing our technology, intentionally or unintentionally. We admire invention and happily pay for and license great technology from other companies when it is useful to our program.

#3. We have created many jobs in the US leveraging our vision and technology and we will aggressively protect our employees. Every single job matters. It is a magic trick to have a camera built in the US, especially at the highest level. This cannot be done if others are allowed to just take what we have done and use our work as their own.

#4. Our customers have invested in our technology. They need to be protected and their investment needs to be protected. We have an obligation to our customers so they will not have their investment diluted by a proliferation of the proprietary technology they invested in.

We don't mean to be heavy handed. We saw 4K as the future standard in 2005. We have endured comments that "RED was a scam". "1080P was good enough." "What does a sunglass guy know about cameras?"... as well as others I would never publish.

Patents are here for a reason. They protect IP. Receiving a patent now means that you have an obligation to protect it... or they have absolutely no value whatsoever.

We are anxious to resolve this and have everyone move along. But in the end... our ideas, employees and customers matter. We will tenaciously protect all of them.

Jim
 
Thanks, Jim. For this explanation as well as all you have done for cinema and for us.
 
Is it their attitude that it's cheaper to pay legal fees than finance R&D?
 
No flack from your customers

Jim

Good work

Protect it or loose it is the law of the land

Thank you for protecting your customers, staff, and yourself

Craig
 
Thanks for your time Sir. I am a happy User.
Good to read your words.
Cheers
 
Dear Jim,
having the best camera in the world made in the US and having so many quality jobs created here is a daring and noble effort.
Japan and China have been hijacking America's inovations and ideas for decades and by sucking the blood of their fellow country men and women through slave like factories were able to dominate the world market.
its time some one stands up to them and we, not as your customer but as the members of the family you so painstakingly created will support you.
please DO tell us what we can do to support your justice seeking endeavor.
thank you
 
Mr. Jannard:

Thanks for clearing the air, and letting us know what's up. I totally support your right to protect your work, and defend every Red owner's investment. Sounds more than fair, and if you feel have you a rightful claim...then go for it.

This is not the time for being weak of heart, or narrow of mind. Be strong, because anything less will be seen as weakness.

Power only respects power.

Good luck.
 
Thanks for your time Sir. I am a happy User.
Good to read your words.
Cheers
 
Where is Dalsa now? ;)
 
Florian... this post really does make me want to retire.

I guess it is time for Dalsa to step up and take over...

I guess the only thing to do is to take all our work and hand it over to anyone who wants it. Is that what you are saying? Really? I must have such a distorted view of the world. I am so sorry I didn't talk to you before I started this company...

Jim

Please don't retire I'm sorry I said something. I just can't stand when lawyers take over, I'm allergic to it. Yes, Dalsa is dead. Just saying there is NEVER a reason to make lawyers the kings over ideas. Ideas are supposed to be king. And yes I'm an idealist.
 
LOL, no one likes attorneys Florian... The thing is, in this system, they have to be used. I'm sure Jim can't stand attorneys either.

Please don't retire I'm sorry I said something. I just can't stand when lawyers take over, I'm allergic to it. Yes, Dalsa is dead. Just saying there is NEVER a reason to make lawyers the kings over ideas. Ideas are supposed to be king. And yes I'm an idealist.
 
If ideas are King... what do you do if they are taken? Roll over and pretend that everything is OK? Sorry. I don't do that. Especially when people's jobs are at stake. I fight.

If someone breaks into your house and steals all your possessions... you call the police. When someone takes your ideas, inventions and designs, you call your attorneys. That is life.

Jim

Please don't retire I'm sorry I said something. I just can't stand when lawyers take over, I'm allergic to it. Yes, Dalsa is dead. Just saying there is NEVER a reason to make lawyers the kings over ideas. Ideas are supposed to be king. And yes I'm an idealist.
 
I bought into Sony (F3), however I thoroughly respect RED's right to protect its patents. The end result however will probably end in compromise. I couldn't imagine the withdrawal of these new cameras.
 
Jim,
Totally get theft.
Whats's component of your patented invention (video camera) are you guys defending in court?
 
R.I.P. Dalsa, 4K pioneers... Didn't Deanan come from Dalsa?

Anyway, Give 'em Hell, Jim! Protect what's yours.
 
... this post really does make me want to retire.

I have had work stolen and have worked for studios whose work has been stolen. It's a horrible thing. Patents and law are here for a reason. Read the entire patent documentation guys and there is a clearer picture over what this about. This is not a "video camera" or 4K thing. It's something that Red and Sony need to work out. Lawsuits such as this happen and as much as it can protect Red's interests it can also protect ours.

Happy Valentine's Day (my date's going to kill me for posting from the restroom, don't tell)
 
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