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Panavision videos...

Jannard

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Panavision has released a set of videos entitled "Demystifying Digital Camera Specifications". I have to say that, while the science is mostly correct, the spin is absolutely wrong. Video #6 is particularly "interesting". I guess we have made Canon a bit nervous also?

Are they actually saying that a DSLR image is not as good as a grab from the Genesis? We, at RED, find this video pretty incredible...

We have had many top DPs call us and shake their heads on the phone... :-)

Just saying...

Jim
 
If ASC DP's shake their heads, and Panavision is getting nervous, ----that's a good sign. You're going to be a target, I hope you're ready for the ride! :)
 
Jannard said:
Panavision has released a set of videos entitled "Demystifying Digital Camera Specifications". I have to say that, while the science is mostly correct, the spin is absolutely wrong. Video #6 is particularly "interesting". I guess we have made Canon a bit nervous also?

Are they actually saying that a DSLR image is not as good as a grab from the Genesis? We, at RED, find this video pretty incredible...

We have had many top DPs call us and shake their heads on the phone... :-)

Just saying...

Jim
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Panavision is just fighting for survival of Genesis in the marker crowded with RED cameras.

And if they are sometimes "so dirty" and "so funny" that's part of a survival fight.
 
We had one (nameless) ASC member come to our booth. He grabbed me to admit he had been a true skeptic. After watching the 4k footage, he converted. It was like a religious experience. He was particularly impressed with the anamorphic footage from "The Argentine". We spent 1/2 hour going over our line, including accessories... especially the lenses. He scrutinized the 18-85mm zoom and left a true fan. It made my day...

Jim
 
It sounds to me like Panavision is finally buckling under the pressure. It is pretty hard to ignore what RED has done to the industry.

Good to see you back Jim.
 
Jannard said:
We had one (nameless) ASC member come to our booth. He grabbed me to admit he had been a true skeptic. After watching the 4k footage, he converted. It was like a religious experience. He was particularly impressed with the anamorphic footage from "The Argentine". We spent 1/2 hour going over our line, including accessories... especially the lenses. He scrutinized the 18-85mm zoom and left a true fan. It made my day...

Jim
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Love it!
I'm looking forward to reading in American Cinematographer (in the near future) some first hand accounts from ASC members on using Red on productions. Hopefully, there will be a feature on the "Argentine".
 
panavision's a little nervous, eh?

let's just say for arguments sake that they're right on the money, i still don't want to pay them the difference.

i cannot wait to get my camera.
 
The problem is that with the merging of digital technology and art, it becomes easy to mislead people who are gods of art into believing really stupid technological lies. Then, if you dont technically tell lies but just throw out enough tech to confuse the artists and try to reassure their feelings, they may be successful at least for a while.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
The problem is that with the merging of digital technology and art, it becomes easy to mislead people who are gods of art into believing really stupid technological lies. Then, if you dont technically tell lies but just throw out enough tech to confuse the artists and try to reassure their feelings, they may be successful at least for a while.
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I didn't quite understand the words, but something tells me you got it exactly right. :-)

Jim
 
I think we all know that in the end all they'll have left is "We're Panavision, they're not." Which may keep some of the really loyal customers for a while, but Panavision would be much smarter to try to partner with RED in some fashion. Certainly these lockouts I've heard of not renting to RED productions is not the smartest move (and after seeing the Argentine footage, I really want to shoot some anamorphic), and this buggery of the bad tech spin is just going to sour people more quickly. Panavision should be trying to find ways to remain relevant in the changing industry, instead of making relics of themselves.
 
I just downloaded Chapter 1 (1080p). After watching just a few seconds, I had to stop and come back here and say, "They should have shot it on RED!" :)
 
Check out what Panavision has posted on their website...

Panavision Post

If they are not directly talking about Red....well we know they are talking about Red. They seem pretty off the chart at this moment...


I'll give them this, they tired as hard as they could to confuse people so they might get lucky and people would just agree with them.....
 
For some, the best defence is attack. Drawing this response from giants like of Panavision and Sony...should be congratulated. We've got a saying down here, "Flat out like a one legged man in an arse (ass) kicking competition". Panavision is in need of some prosthetics!
 
I think the more information you can get the better, so this was worth watching.
What it tells me is that there are so many variables involved that statistics and numerical specifications become pretty much meaningless as there can be all sorts of tricks and workarounds - that's why a 1080 handycam is not the same as an F900 even though in specs they could made to look so (depenent upon what you chose NOT to mention!)
So I think it's back to the old standby, judge the output based on what your eyes see on the medium which your audience will view it in.
Steve
 
Jim,

Congratulations.

From positive angle: For many getting their product mentioned for whatever reason on the site like Panavision itself is an achievement.

And RED did it in matter of few months. Panavision now feels RED is their serious rival.

This should be news: 2 year RED infant challenged 50 years old Panavision Daddy.

BTW, Indian cinema is the largest in the world and many uses Panavision. Most of them probably never heard of RED. You have got free publicity. Pounce on it.

Regards,

Keny
 
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