Opportunity.

[PETER ODIO]

I like RED. I have produced TV shows, TV commercials and a feature film using the RED ONE. I have never had an issue with the cameras, despite the climate conditions, dust and long hours, the RED ONE always performed great.
My movie Cartas a Elena will open in Mexico shortly and after previewing the 35mm copy I was amazed by the quality.

Like many other users, I was following the Scarlet as a good option for television. A true HDSLR killer.

The 4k Scarlet is a great product. I’m sure I’ll rent this camera or the R1 on my next project, buy I was very interested in buying a 3K Scarlet with fixed lens for +- $ 7,000.

As many have posted, a $14 K Scarlet plus accessories is a $20 K Scarlet.

Opportunity.
Why not continue with the Scarlet 3K, and serve the +- $7K market?
Call it the Scarlet mini, or Scarlet 2/3.
This will not cannibalize the Scarlet X or Epic market.
It will be a great alternative to the AF100 or F3 market.

I'm sure most of the R&D is already paid for.

How many here would like to see this program resurrected?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBU8rMi05sU

 

[Omar N]

I would absolutely support this. I am not an expert on business, but I do not see any reason not to. Lots of money has already gone into the prototypes, so now that we have gone this far, why not just cross the finish line?

 

[Dan Kanes]

I will lease you a Scarlet X with Aluminum Canon Mount and Tokina (angenieux) 28-70 ATX Pro f2.6-2.8 for 7 Months for $7000 cash up front.

Interested?

email me

info at dankanes dot com

 

[PatrickW]

I think Red is at the top of the list in terms of who wants the 2/3 Scarlets to go on the market and sell. They did after all spend lots of R&D dollars.

Does anyone really think you spend likely millions of dollars developing a camera line, and then wake up and say, "fuck it, toss the whole thing out"?

It didn't end up working, and that is a sad loss for Red in terms of $$$, but also time... they invested rockstar R&D peoples time on a product that never shipped. Imagine if they had put all that effort into something else...

coulda, shoulda, woulda...

Today we have Red Epic, and Scarlet-X. No point in pleading for something that isn't happening. Live in the moment with what exists today.

 

[Max Gibson]

I like RED. ....

The 4k Scarlet is a great product. ...., buy I was very interested in buying a 3K Scarlet with fixed lens for +- $ 7,000.

As many have posted, a $14 K Scarlet plus accessories is a $20 K Scarlet.

Opportunity.
Why not continue with the Scarlet 3K, and serve the +- $7K market?
Call it the Scarlet mini, or Scarlet 2/3.
This will not cannibalize the Scarlet X or Epic market.
It will be a great alternative to the AF100 or F3 market.

I'm sure most of the R&D is already paid for.

How many here would like to see this program resurrected?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBU8rMi05sU

Many are interested but apparently nobody cares. In fact the fan- gang around here are denying the number of people crying for 3K @ $6K ~ $8K Fix or 2/3 models that were used as bait at the end of a bright RED colored hook to the days before the Nov 3rd announcement.
i have read most of threads after the Nov 3rd and here is a collection of un-official replies to suggestions similar to yours : ( no specific order )

Red rocks, Scarlet-X rocks, Scarlet-X is a PRO camera 3k was not, Can't afford Pro camera you are not a Pro go get FS100, 3K is the past 4K is the future, 3K is not future proof, 3K is not pro, Jim ... you are the man, Thank you Jim, Congratulations Jim, Scarlet-X is for Cinema anything else is for web, 3K for 3$K was just an idea, Things change, We don't serve people with bad attitude, you don't like Scarlet-X ..then why you are hanging around here, you should've saved more, it's $9k and not $14K, there is no other cinema camera @ $9K, some occasional name callings back and forth ...

i see today the number of Scarlet forum visitors are down from 7+ thousands to 1700. If you like to repeat your civilized suggestion i recommend to come back when all the fanboys are busy shooting their feature MOVIES with their brand new SCARLET-Xs out there so you don't get barked at. I am just taking a risk here too. These are my last visits to check on some civilized posts.
Good luck man.

 

[Dan Kanes]

Lets not forget you can shoot 2k and 3k on the Scarlet X. You can use lenses with smaller imaging circles. Many 16mm format lenses will fairly much cover a 3k crop... I realize you aren't getting 120fps 3k, but mass production has its downsides. I guess that's all I have to add to it besides what I would consider a more than fair lease offer for 7 months with a lens.

 

[Zeb B]

I'll bet Jim and the gang got the 2/3" - Fixed - $6K message by now. Let's move on

 

[J Davis]

Jim stated there was a fatal flaw in the fixed lens, it wouldn't hold focus thru the zoom range. Combined with the fact that it didn't meet future proof standards he stated that the 2/3 scarlet was over. I tried my hardest to bring the 2/3 interchangeable to his attention in the hope that we could have a redcode camera in the $6-7k price bracket but to no avail. I even pointed out that the current scarlet only resolves 3.2k so why scrap the 2/3 interchangeable because it didn't meet 4k? Thread link.

From what I've seen of the way things happen over the last 3 years, if Jim was going to announce that it was still alive he would have done so by now.

 

[PETER ODIO]

With the Blackmagic Cinema Camera announced at $ 3K and 2.5 K, I still think the Idea of the original Scarlet with fixed lens for about $6 or $7 K is a great idea. More prosumer than pro, and I do not know if RED would like to serve tho market, but many BMCC buyers will consider paying more (OK twice as much) and have a Scarlet Mini.

 

[Bob Gundu]

Somehow I don't think BMD is going to stop at 2.5K. If that is the case, I doubt RED will want to be at that sandbox.

 

[Phil Holland]

The very real reality at the moment is the industry, the motion picture industry that Red markets and caters towards, is moving towards 4k. Also large sensor cameras have been more desirable for the majority of interchangeable systems.

Red made a very, very good decision by making the Scarlet X 4k and with it's current sensor size.

As mentioned above, you can shoot at 3k just fine on the Scarlet X if that was your target resolution workflow.

Dragon btw, is a very logical step into making a wonderful 4k debayer of a 5k S35 image with the promise of more latitude as well. Hence being a true(r) film alternative.

Technological advancement is progressive. Red doesn't like to go backwards.

 

[Matt Gottshalk]

With the Blackmagic Cinema Camera announced at $ 3K and 2.5 K, I still think the Idea of the original Scarlet with fixed lens for about $6 or $7 K is a great idea. More prosumer than pro, and I do not know if RED would like to serve tho market, but many BMCC buyers will consider paying more (OK twice as much) and have a Scarlet Mini.

If you feel that way, and it is a valid argument, then vote with your wallet and get a BMD camera.

If enough people do and RED thinks they are losing sales to it, then maybe they will do something.

My feeling is that RED feels there is no going backwards now.

 

[Mike Garrick]

Yep I think the BM camera is exactly the reason why Red shouldn't make a S16 sensor. Imagine where they would be right now if they had.

As well Kineraw and the Digital Bolex are coming online soon, this surely will saturate this market segment even more. Whilst I understand the desire by some to have Red wade into this territory, I personally believe it would be a lousy business decision given current trends in camera design.

P.S. Peter there are so many camera choices right now, not all of them have to be Red, or Arri for that matter.

 

[Trevor Meeks]

The very real reality at the moment is the industry, the motion picture industry that Red markets and caters towards, is moving towards 4k. Also large sensor cameras have been more desirable for the majority of interchangeable systems.

Red made a very, very good decision by making the Scarlet X 4k and with it's current sensor size.

As mentioned above, you can shoot at 3k just fine on the Scarlet X if that was your target resolution workflow.

Dragon btw, is a very logical step into making a wonderful 4k debayer of a 5k S35 image with the promise of more latitude as well. Hence being a true(r) film alternative.

Technological advancement is progressive. Red doesn't like to go backwards.

Couldn't have said it better myself, man. Spot on!

 

[George Butterfield]

Opportunity.
Why not continue with the Scarlet 3K, and serve the +- $7K market?

Because a used RED ONE MX would blow it out of the water!

Actually ....

Used RED ONE Mysteriums and MXs totally ROCK!

What a deal for Indie Start-ups!

 

[Tim Nitsch]

Used RED ONE Mysteriums and MXs totally ROCK!

What a deal for Indie Start-ups!

The two things I worry about when buying used R1s is, a few years down the road will Red still carry parts to repair them if need be. Going by the love R1 users are getting now (or complete lack there of) I would say good luck with that. And two, looking at the trend of prices I would be concerned of whether or not you could get anything out of it resale wise after you are done with it. I mean In half a year used R1 prices have dropped $5-10k. For being such amazing cameras they don't seem hold their value at all. It would be like a beater car, once you get it, you just run that POS until it explodes. lol

 

[Robert L. Mickles]

Not talking bad about RED, but they are not a big enough company to have been able to adequately supply a prosumer market right now.

 

[George Butterfield]

For being such amazing cameras they don't seem hold their value at all.

What you're supposed to do, is just go and make a movie with it! And then make a better movie with it. And then ..... you get the idea. If someone says, "Your RED ONE is depreciating", just answer, "Quiet on the set, I'm making a movie!". There will be parts for Ten years .... in worst case scenario, just buy another used RED ONE. Come to think of it, RED has a lot of Stage III RED ONES!

 

[Andy White]

The original RED isn't doing badly considering it's age.

Look at other cameras that launched at the same time - or even ones from 2 years ago... and see how they have kept their value (in comparison).

PL/Cine lenses are the best bet if you want to preserve/appreciate an investment

Regarding a 3K Scarlet... RED made the logical choice to focus on S35.

Consider the new users that are getting to grips with RAW and RED now... then multiply that by XXX if the camera was cheaper/more prosumer in price range (or another cheaper model came ie 3K)... it's a market that just isn't worth it (IMO) as there's the law of diminishing returns that comes into play.

The 3K fixed would have been nice... but, as others have said the 2K market with Ikonoskop, Digital Bolex & Black Magic (etc) is just going to get very busy and cluttered... better RED ignore it and keep focused on S35 and beyond.

 

[Vadim Bobkovsky]

With competition ready to deliver almost 3K for $3K solution (I see you, BMD) resurrection of that lil scarlet could've been very appropriate move, but it's up to Red guys to decide. I understand that they now focusing on 4K+ digital cinema only, still 3K Scarlet with interchangeable lens mount and pricing around the point of $6K might be awesome, and in that case I'm not sure I'd prefer cheaper Blackmagic 2,5K RAW camera (their Canon lens mount is still too funky for me, especially comparing it to Reds).