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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Old CRT vs Panasonic 11 Series Plasma for Grading

Isn't the dolby $31,000?

Kinda steep me thinks. (for me that is)
 
I'd talk to them about what might be avb after NAB, i doubt they would get near the $ of the low end OLED, but if i was looking at the coin for the BVM version of the OLED that does P3.. well they are not that far apart

Diffrent ball game if the options are the low end OLED -or- Pana Plasma + callibration -or- Flanders

and diffrent again if the options are a ageing and unstable FW900 (and 99% of them are unstable by now) -or- a Pana Plasma w/o callibration -or- Dreamcolor

A good FW900 would be a find, and if you can get a couple of years out of it.. awesome...

d
 
Really? The Dolby HDR monitor is better than the high end BVM OLEDs from Sony? Wow. I didn't know LED modulated LCD displays could actually match OLEDs in black level and uniformity.
 
Chuck Z said:
Really? The Dolby HDR monitor is better than the high end BVM OLEDs from Sony? Wow. I didn't know LED modulated LCD displays could actually match OLEDs in black level and uniformity.
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Dolby can do it, at a price tho.. don't know what the special sauce is, but special it is... yesterday i screened the 709 trim pass of a film i graded at my place on the Dolby, then went 10 min down the road and watched the same film over again from the HDSR master on the BVM for QC... same / same

The larger size of the Dolby really helps when judging noise reduction and sharpening.. and both seem the same in P3, so if one could get into the Dolby for a small up-charge over the BVM, i would be looking at the options... esp if (like me) you do not have the space for a projector

Caveat is that i have not seen the two of them side by side

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If money were no object, I would go for Dolby with no hesitation. 34" is just about perfect size for the grading monitor. To me 24" is too small and 58" plasma I have is way too big.
Dolby perfected the LED backlighting, technology resulting in the best monitor money can buy. Watching images at 600 nits is astounding. But 30-40K for the monitor is way out of the price range for me. I'm definitely will be curios about SONY OLED PVM at NAB.
 
I'm curious if there will be price cuts for the Sony BVM-Es at NAB. After all, they introduced the BVM-F series because the Es weren't selling too well, right?

Is there any difference to the BVM-E/F panels in reality or is this marketing piece just a bunch of BS?

SonyOLEDdisplays.jpg
 
jake blackstone said:
If money were no object, I would go for Dolby with no hesitation. 34" is just about perfect size for the grading monitor. To me 24" is too small and 58" plasma I have is way too big.
Dolby perfected the LED backlighting, technology resulting in the best monitor money can buy. Watching images at 600 nits is astounding. But 30-40K for the monitor is way out of the price range for me. I'm definitely will be curios about SONY OLED PVM at NAB.
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Hi Jake

What is your advice for $3k 'ish for someone starting out? FSI .... Panasonic?

Cheers

Adam
 
The best display depends on the actual requirements for the project, and the available calibration tools.

I've calibrated just about all displays and projectors available, and there really is no single answer.

But, a big plasma with good calibration can be good, so long as you understand the 'power save' issues that all plasmas have.

Having said that, I probable calibrate more plasmas in grading suites than any other display. Good blacks, good gaumt (required for accurate calibration) and chap for large screen sizes.

A good LCD is better, as is has no power save issues, but can have viewing angle problems.

For 'film grading' I always prefer to use a digital projector.

For calibration I will obviously suggest LightSpace CMS - http://www.lightillusion.com/lightspace.html

Cheers,

Steve
 
hi steve ,
what is the price of the penta ?
why you say ""will be fully"" compatible ? meaning that will load lut internally ?

thanks
g
 
Hi G,

Price depends on the size... best to contact Karlheinz at Penta directly and ask him ;o)

And yep, you will be able to connect LightSpace to the display directly for calibration, and then load the generated LUT into the display, providing fully closed loop calibration. We have a beat version of this on teat already, and the full release should be in a few weeks.

Steve
 
nice ...

i actually just emailed ... :)
ps: i guess blacks not like plasma tough or good blacks ?...and ""only "" rec 709 capable ...i mean no P3 right ?

thanks
g
 
[SUP]Panasonic discontinued a lot of their smaller plasmas...we don't have room for bigger than 42'' so....not sure it's an option anymore.

Will a high quality LCD HDTV work if I calibrate it (with chroma pure and a spider ii probe?). Obviously the viewing angle will be an issue, but we can live with that if it's okay otherwise. This will be for color grading via hdmi out from a black magic card--not for a post house, but just for in-house grading of ads and indie stuff so we won't have any clients checking it out and 95% perfect is a lot better than what we had before (a 90s-era low end CRT computer monitor and magic bullet looks).[/SUP]
 
Please see the 'plasma' thread on the Light Illusion forums.

http://www.lightillusion.com/forums/index.php?action=vthread&forum=8&topic=42

You should find the information there of some help - especially regarding calibration.
But I will say I do not view ChromaPure as being suitable for professional level calibration - especially for Plasmas due to the ABL operation all plasmas have.
 
Thanks. How about a Sony Bravia 32'' LCD HDTV? Any better or worse? Only a few hundred dollars but apparently very color accurate out of the box? Of course the viewing angle will be bad, but it's better than nothing and has none of the issues with plasma. We can calibrate with calman or chroma pure, and with whatever probes those packages include or like a spyder probe or something. Input via blackmagic intensity, we're grading in either Color or Resolve from prores files (Alexa, Red, dSLR, etc.).

I get that this isn't really sufficient for a post house but none of this is for high end work. I get that a full fledged post house would have much better equipment, but we're producing very cheesy, inexpensive content (our last feature was graded from DP dailies scanned to D5 rather than the supervised transfer to .dpx that the lab all-but insisted on, of course I found out about this after I finished grading it on a poorly calibrated monitor). It's not my money or gear so I'll take what I can get, but last time we went out to DCP there were (very) slight differences in black level and saturation relative to the monitor I was grading on, so I want to eliminate those to whatever extent possible. If this sounds horrifying, it might be, but I'd rather mitigate things than throw in the towel.
 
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