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Okay. . . am I nuts here????

Stephen Pruitt

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This is probably going to sound strange, but the more I look at my RED One (MX) and think about how solid it is and how everything I need on it is there right now (no waiting for anything except boot time!), and how I actually do like the form factor of the camera, the more I wonder if my taking advantage of Stage 3 might be a mistake. I know there are definite advantages to the Epic, but I'm really wondering if it all makes that sense for me to pull that trigger, and pour in another $15,000 or so.

Is anyone else suffering from possible "buyer's remorse"?

I just don't know what to do.

:-(

Stephen
 
If the Red One fulfills all of your shooting needs, then do you really need the upgrade?
 
We felt the same way, hence stage 2.

Having said that, once you get your EPICs, the Poor old MXs tend to get a bit neglected......

Might be time for us to let them go :(
 
That is why I went stage 2....
 
Stephen Pruitt said:
This is probably going to sound strange, but the more I look at my RED One (MX) and think about how solid it is and how everything I need on it is there right now (no waiting for anything except boot time!), and how I actually do like the form factor of the camera, the more I wonder if my taking advantage of Stage 3 might be a mistake. I know there are definite advantages to the Epic, but I'm really wondering if it all makes that sense for me to pull that trigger, and pour in another $15,000 or so.

Is anyone else suffering from possible "buyer's remorse"?

I just don't know what to do.

:-(

Stephen
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You are not nuts at all. How much do you need over-cranking for the work you do? What would HDRx mean for the work you do? What else can you do with $15K?

Answer those three questions, and you will have the answer to your bigger question. The Epic is a wonderful camera. I love so much about it. But the R1 is pretty damn good too.
 
Stephen, from what I've gathered from most of your posts, you shoot movies. Not sure how much form factor plays a role, but my guess is not as much as if your were doing other kinds of shooting. The question becomes do these things make a difference to the films you want to make.
- HDR
- 5K
- 16 bit processing
- lower compression options
- high speed at hi resolution
- future features that could come later on
- upgrade path to Monstro

Time will tell, but if RED starts moving along at a good clip, accessories may be easier to come by and if that happens then you might wonder if Epic would be the better option. Things like quad battery module, Pro I/O, etc.

I still enjoy the R1. Built like a tank and still shoots great images.

Go with what makes sense for you and your needs. I think you'll be fine either way.
 
Stephen Pruitt said:
This is probably going to sound strange, but the more I look at my RED One (MX) and think about how solid it is and how everything I need on it is there right now (no waiting for anything except boot time!), and how I actually do like the form factor of the camera, the more I wonder if my taking advantage of Stage 3 might be a mistake. I know there are definite advantages to the Epic, but I'm really wondering if it all makes that sense for me to pull that trigger, and pour in another $15,000 or so.

Is anyone else suffering from possible "buyer's remorse"?

I just don't know what to do.

:-(

Stephen
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I already look at my Epic M and say, even with the chance do swap directly to X I might not. You're holding a piece of history. You don't know how important that camera actually is. A Icon and an innovator's first model... Jarred is a master which I know doesn't get lost, but he is very important to modern technology. This is their prototype - it's only going to get better.
 
Hi,
R1 MX is still a great camera but what I foresee all further upgrades will be made available to EPIC -SCARLET owners only and RED MAYBE EOL..There is no official release on this but just my thought but RED may surprise us....and once you get an EPIC you will go mad ( if ur not already with your Mx)...So I have gone for an EPIC M,STAGE II for one R1 and STAGE III for my another R1.
Thanks
Harcharan
 
I'm having my right shoulder replaced after 12 years of ENG camera work. I'm 40 yrs old and my surgeon said I had the shoulder of a 70 year old. My Dad laughed..... he's 69!

The RED 1 is such a heavy beasty!

Do yourself a favour and invest in the Epic or....... a really good medical plan ;)
 
Stephen Pruitt said:
This is probably going to sound strange, but the more I look at my RED One (MX) and think about how solid it is and how everything I need on it is there right now (no waiting for anything except boot time!), and how I actually do like the form factor of the camera, the more I wonder if my taking advantage of Stage 3 might be a mistake. I know there are definite advantages to the Epic, but I'm really wondering if it all makes that sense for me to pull that trigger, and pour in another $15,000 or so.
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Personally, the RED ONE is way too big and heavy for me (especially if doing stereo or taking on a plane to South Africa with me!), so I don't fully understand keeping the RED ONE :) however everyone is different and has different needs...

I'm not sure how keeping your camera works financially vs:

1. Doing Stage 2, selling the Epic and keeping your Red One
2. Doing Stage 3, selling the Epic and buying a used Red One again

Surely the massive discount on Epic that RED gave to RED ONE owners would mean you'd come out ahead doing one of these two, versus just not doing anything?

It would also have to be worth the hassle as well though, of course?

Or you could hold out for the FF version, or the Monstro upgrade first, I guess? Not sure if there are is an upgrade path for that though?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
The lighter, smaller the camera the more setups I can do. Epic def helps work faster. As much as I like my RED One I won't think twice before switching to Epic. No camera should get in the way of telling a story. Sometimes I find myself not taking certain shots because the size and weight of the R1 comes in the way. I don't see that happening with Epic. PLUS HDRX, 100+fps at 5K are other reasons I'm looking forward to my Epic(s). Love my RED but Epic is the way to go.
 
Allways bad to take a stab into someones happiness and contentness, but...

Bad stuff about Epic vs R1:
New media
New rail solution
New accessories
Clumsy placement of connectors
Flimsy converter cables
No EVF+ LCD until more modules - unless you go SDI
Reflective lower rez touch LCD
Early in firmware cycle
Kind of harder to ballance up in a film-like setup


Then the good stuff of Epic vs R1
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Feels like a camera more than a "digital camera"
I could go into technical stuff, but the main thing for me is how it burns out and goes into black. No other cam I have used does it this way. It's what makes the full difference

Would I not shoot Epic if given the option?
Nope

Robustness and stability has been over all good (been working with 4 of them now)

It's quite addictive.

SO would I be satisfied with the Scarlet instead?
Nope
The lower compression and larger datarates taking advantage of the 16 bits is much of the secret sauce, methinks.

But in my eyes, it is hard to compare the images of a R1 (M or MX) with an Epic.
Of course, if you shoot for the M or MXs sweeetspots, it is not hard.
But if you shoot on the Epics conditions, it is a whole different ballgame.

I don't really shoot that much highspeed, but I really dig the processing-capacity overhead the Epic seems to offer.
While the R1 MX feels a bit "on the edge of its capacity" as to processing power, the Epic kind of murrs confidently:
Geee... That's nothing... I have more... Wanna see?

I really dig working with the Epic!
It's been giving me the same kind of revalations the original R1 M gave me. Just this time around I don't have to interpolate post-workflow when I shoot.
That IS a huge relief...

And frees up creativity and gives confidence and peace of mind.
 
In this thread I have posted a lot of images that I would have a hard time recreating with the R1:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?59179-1st-24-hours-with-an-Epic/page7

I also have shot some comparative shoots, which I decided NOT to publish when I updated the thread most furiously, but I still have planned to post them, once "all" have their Epics and Scarlets... Or maybe just in a little while...
 
Stephan,

I'm a bit familiar with your posts and your background shooting with Canon glass. I'm with you about some nagging feelings of doubt about turning in your beloved and trusted R1. But I'm diving into Epic. If the features/benefits of the Epic alone haven't quite won you over yet, ...stop...think about what the combo of the Epic and the smart Canon lens mount will do for someone with your experience, interests, expertise, and equipment list. This is an amazing equipement combination/opportunity/convergence (that probably won't be unique for too much longer, if that matters) made just for someone like you. If you really end up regreting it I have a feeling you could buy a R1 for a great price in the near future. Go for it brother!

-Matt
 
Can anyone please direct me to a from factor comparison between Epic and Red One?
I'm guessing Epic is lighter, but it looks like it may be a similar size when you add on the various i/o and battery modules?
I am also agonising over pushing for stage 3 - the school hasn't really got the money, and just paid out for the MX upgrade.
We shoot drama so would need a lot of the extra modules and larger ff and Matte box on the camera 90% of the time.
 
A red Epic with v lock battery, mattebox, follow focus, rods, audio receiver, teradek wi-fi encoder is a bit bulky but it's really a lot lighter for handheld shots. For me the differences with red one are:
Better exterior due to more dynamic range and HDRX ( also in interior the images are better but we found we can match with the images of red one easily)
Ssd media (fantastic) but you can use also with the red one
Booting time (9 sec)
Better menu
More filmic image
Less compression
The only drawbacks that I found was noisy fan even at 33% (but the epic that we used was an early M) and the single input to connect or the evf or the LCD.
About the sdi that is not easily accessible, it is true but you can connect an sdi tail with a splitter and it's good to go.
 
This has all been incredibly helpful gentlemen. Truly. Those shots were amazing Gunleik!

How good is the HDR mode? That is, do you see artifacts in a two or three stop HDR mode that render it not really usable for feature work?

I'm leaning more toward the Epic. . . not quite there, but probably will go for it.

Thanks!

Stephen
 
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