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O'Connor 2575 Vs. 2060...

Evin Grant

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OK, so I just got my brand new 2575 head, a model which I've used on many occasions and I think It's the shit of fuck mountain but...

...It also weighs as much as fuck mountain!

And I knew this but, all of sudden the reality of a tripod head that, with case and AKS, weighs in at 49.5Lbs is a little disturbing to my aching back.

Do any of you out there that have used both seriously believe there is a Red configuration (including the 12:1 Optimo) that the 2060 can't handle?

I chose the 2575 because it's the standard, I've even seen some other DPs put HVX200s on them because they just don't like any other head. But if there isn't a situation where Red on a 2060 will be over loaded then is it really necessary to carry around the "Mountain".

Lets be clear though, the rated capacity of the 2060 is 65lbs. This is exactly the weight of a fully loaded Red+24-290mm Optimo so my real question is, in reality can it handle more? If not then I'll most likely keep the 2575.
Thought's fellow O'Connophiles?
 
Evin,

I had 3 days in NYC last month with the big Optimo. I also had both a 2060 and a 2575 in the package, the 2060 to keep on sticks and the 2575 to stay on the dolly. We needed to be able to move fast grabbing shots on the street, so I opted for both.

Anyway, we gave the Optimo a try on the 2060 in prep. It held it up fine, but you could feel the flex in the base of the 2060...maybe it would be different if the 2060 would have been mitchell instead of 150mm, but...

Anyway, if your goal is to be ready for that lens, then you did the right thing.

Bazooka!
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Evin,

Sorry this may be slightly off topic.

I went for Ronford Baker Atlas 30: http://www.ronfordbaker.co.uk/atlas30_head.html

It is even more expensive, but...

It weighs 9kg (20lb) - still very heavy, but ~3lb lighter than 2575.

30kg (66 lb) rating at 10" offset, the counterbalance seems to have a lot of "room" there for a top-heavy setup - felt more than the 2575.

It is fully sealed, which attracted me most (no dust, sand or corrosion getting inside).

It is in a different league than O'Connor, Sachtler or Miller when it comes to smoothness and stability. I had them next to each other to play with and, despite huge price difference, I went fot the Ronford. Love it!

Have you tried it?

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I have played with one, and they are very nice, I wouldn't say a different league but certainly comparable. The thing is I live and work in LA and when it comes to 35mm style production there is the O'Connor and there is, well O'Connor. The Atlas is a very fine head but the O'Connor is the standard and what's expected.
 
Evin Grant said:
OK, so I just got my brand new 2575 head, a model which I've used on many occasions and I think It's the shit of fuck mountain but...

...It also weighs as much as fuck mountain!

And I knew this but, all of sudden the reality of a tripod head that, with case and AKS, weighs in at 49.5Lbs is a little disturbing to my aching back.

Do any of you out there that have used both seriously believe there is a Red configuration (including the 12:1 Optimo) that the 2060 can't handle?

I chose the 2575 because it's the standard, I've even seen some other DPs put HVX200s on them because they just don't like any other head. But if there isn't a situation where Red on a 2060 will be over loaded then is it really necessary to carry around the "Mountain".

Lets be clear though, the rated capacity of the 2060 is 65lbs. This is exactly the weight of a fully loaded Red+24-290mm Optimo so my real question is, in reality can it handle more? If not then I'll most likely keep the 2575.
Thought's fellow O'Connophiles?
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We had our 2060 on the Optimo 12:1 with a MItchell base and it was fine, as it was with a 16MM Arri prime. I think it's the by far the best overall head for the Red for the broadest range of lenses vs. weight.

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If I would be in LA, work as a DP in the industry that means many of my jobs also depend

on carefully chosen gear brands and its specs, than definitely I would go for the best O'Connor's head

that is 120EX (it's a heavy but you'll always have a monster ready for all type of jobs)

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120EX SPECIFICATION
Model 120EX
Capacity
@ 8 in. (203 mm) minimum 30 lbs. (14 kg)
@ 8 in. (203 mm) ± 90° 120 lbs. (54 kg)
@ 8 in. (203 mm) ± 80° 147 lbs. (67 kg)
@ 8 in. (203 mm) ± 70° 188 lbs. (85 kg)
@ 8 in. (203 mm) ± 60° 240 lbs. (109 kg)

Platform see below
Handle(s) 0° & 30°
Bases Mitchell
Tilt +90° / -90°
Height 9.8 in. (24.8 cm)
Width 13.5 in. (34.3 cm)
Depth 10.5 in. (26.6 cm)
Weight 34.1 lbs. (15.5 kg)

Platform for 120EX: OConnor Plate, OConnor Geared Plate, 120mm Euro Plate, Panavision Dovetail Plate, Arriflex Dovetail Plate

LINK>>>
 
weirdcrew said:
Sanjin there are very few cases where you need that head. Middle ground 2575 is more suitable (sorry, that's relative of course hahaha). If you need more, you tend to go geared heads.
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Fredrik, probably you are right.
 
Evin,
Stick with the 2575...The 2060 is very nice (especially the real 2060, not the 2060HD)...but with an Optimo you are really pushing it. Generally if you have an Optimo you have an AC (or 2, or 3)...so the weight is not an issue. With the 2060 you are at the end of the weight limit and for optimal performance you want to be right in the middle. If you are using primes the 2060 is a perfect combo!

Keep in mind if you order the 2060...get the original setup which must be speced before ordering, the 2060HD has much lower drag and is too little for the Red.
 
Man I hate reading this thread because it makes me want to get the 2060. The 1030HDS I have works fine for the work I do and people are happy with it. Of course I haven't had any huge pieces of glass on my Red yet.
 
2060 NON HD would be a very good head for the Red. 2575 is the gold standard and you have to weigh the rental demand and long term investment (your 2575 will not loose much value over the next 10 years) against the slight weight decrease of the 2060. Personally I got a 2575 for my workhorse and I bought a O'Connor 50 with 100mm ball and aluminum sticks from ebay for under 400$ for those times when I want to hike up to a creek without an assistant.

I'm glad you've finally come to the conclusion that the 1030 is not head enough to deal with a fully outfitted studio Red configuration.
 
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