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Torrey Loomis

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We got a visit this morning by Andrew Battistessa from Jadoo Power here in Folsom. Jadoo develops industrial hydrogen fuel cell power system. He brought along their very cool new fuel-cell power system that Jadoo is developing (pics attached).

He indicated they were interested in developing a package that would work for digital cinema and wanted some feedback on what you would want in a package like this.

Andrew will be monitoring this thread and will be happy to take any and all feedback you could provide.

Torrey
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Im very interested in this for remote locations for Wildlife filming, what is the working temperature range ?
 
Well,

It's fantastically interesting.
The website says "Extended runtime up to 2,160 W-h / 180 A-h), scalable" on the XRT™ Extended Runtime Adapter which is what is pictured. This item at 50lbs is a bit of a beast though.

The N-Gen™ Fuel Cell Power Unit looks to be the on camera device. 100w, 12vdc 720w-hrs all sounds good. 5 pounds with out fuel... ehh... The canisters list their weight at 5 pounds and 2 pounds for the extended and regular respectively bringing the total weight to 7 -10 pounds added to the camera weight? Also I assume that as the hydrogen depletes that some weight loss is expected. Also does it make any noise?

Lastly buying hydrogen seems like a hurdle to get over. With standard batteries, being able to refill them off of house power becomes a serious convenience by comparison. I can't imagine trying to get my hydrogen canister refilled in rural / remote / foreign areas.

All of that said... I am very interested.
 
Dave Blackham said:
what is the working temperature range ?
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Agreed. A specific operating range would be very important.

Also does it have to be open like that or could it be a bit more enclosed? I'd make it as tough as possible and that tube part looks a bit exposed, same goes for the internals on the right.
 
You could run some serious battery powered LED lighting with these things too. Can't wait to hear pricing on these things and to know more about how often they have to be refilled with hydrogen.
 
These have been out for a while in an AB compatible mount. Comparable in price to AB batts and chargers. Big downside is you can't take them on passenger planes. Cargo only. Very cool though. Would totally worth it for long projects.

Nick
 
So how long do they last? How much hydrogen do they use? How much does it cost? How much do they rent for, etc, etc.. any links would be appreciated. I never heard of these before.
 
Well, an Anton Bauer Dionic battery is about a grand, is made of poison, and is only good for about 300 cycles at which point you throw it away and by a new one. When I looked into this a year or so ago, 2 of the little hydrogen tanks, and the charger cost about the same as 2 AB batts and a charger. Also, the system is hot swappable, you pull the hydrogen cylinder out of the fuel cell, the fuel cell keeps on making electricity, and you put a new one in. If you use a lot of batteries, this is a very economical solution. Save you a couple grand a year till they invent free energy, oh wait.....

Nick
 
Evangelos Achillopoulos said:
With 22lbs per 720Wh is quite big and heavy...

Also hydrogen is quite difficult to find not to mention that is VERY flammable...
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That's quite a lot of Hindenberg FUD :001_smile:

Hydrogen to fuel cars is quite hard to find along the road, yes. But trying to power a camera is a different problem. Industrial gascylinders with hydrogen are quite safe, not too cumbersome to transport, easy to get and don't require very much training to use.

The fuelcell units mentioned here seem to work with 'N-Stor' cylinders, available in a 360Wh 2.2kg/5.1lb and 130Wh 1.0kg/2.0lb version which are aircargo approved.

For remote power, systems like these look very viable to me. A fuelcell runs very quietly, if not silent.

I learned something today, thanks Torrey!
 
Its also early in the evolutionary curve. It will get smaller and cheaper. The volatility of the hydrogen may be mitigated by solidifying it, which would make it denser and enable it to last longer when compared to its current volume requirements.
 
Pascal Scheffers said:
The fuelcell units mentioned here seem to work with 'N-Stor' cylinders, available in a 360Wh 2.2kg/5.1lb and 130Wh 1.0kg/2.0lb version which are aircargo approved.
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That is definitely one of the questions I asked, and yes they are cargo bay approved for check-in.

Torrey
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Torrey Loomis
President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
(916) 760-0032 • FAX (916) 404-5258
torrey@silverado.cc
Web http://www.Silverado.cc
Blog http://silveradosys.blogspot.com
Twitter http://www.twitter.com/silveradosys

Build your own RED Rocket system: http://bit.ly/7F4QA1
 
Our typical operating range is between 0-49 degrees C. The system will operate in lower temp. ranges but in areas where the temp drops below what is stated above, there can be issues powering up the system.
 
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