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Nikon Drops the Ball, D3s Only 720p

Jeff Dunant

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For those people who had high hopes for the video features of the D3s, sorry to say this but the camera can only do 720p. This just leaves the Canon 1D Mark IV, but well, Canon hasn't been very smart lately either.

How long is it going to take for these companies to grow half a brain and actually release a camera that can do video properly?

Amazing how Red knows what the customers wants, yet these conglomerates that have been around for ages keep missing the target.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/13/nikon-d3s-leaked-by-uk-press-expected-to-ship-december-with-imp/
 
I'd be in this for the stills, mainly. I've been shooting the D3 and D700 since they were released and this would be amazing for my stills work. I know RED will be the future for my motion stuff, but for stills I haven't yet seen that their offerings will match this at high sensitivities.
 
Press is my primary profession and D3 is my workhorse

I had been interested in this because I have a D3 waterhousing which is about the price of the camera and a stack of primes

And it would give my the opportunity to carry one body

And one set of lenses

Not Interested - I dont think

Nikons use of language on their website is insulting - they are just not clear with information so I dont really know until there are some tests

But..

You have some control of audio

a 50 and 60 HZ mode (!) now if that locks the shutter to 60 and 50 it is in effect manual control for many situations (maybe?)

Really the quality is the issue

IMO the 7d is really a 720 camera as far as I can see because once you have done some stuff to the footage you are probably down only to being able to resolve 720

If the images are good then this could be better than it initially looks as a tool compared to the 7d

S
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Who is next?
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Well, Canon still have their 1D Mark IV under wraps, after that, I don't know. If Nikon and Canon do not put real video (I'm talking RAW, full manual control, 24/25/30p) in their flagship camera, I think it is safe to assume it could take a couple or more years for that to happen.

Or you could just wait until the Red comes out. Which it keeps seeming like that is what is going to happen for most people.
 
Fail ? In Red beating terms absolutely - but not because it is '720'

We have no knowledge of the image quality

IMO the 1080 number means nothing on the canons or really even on the EX1

this could be a great DSLR motion recorder - who knows

In terms of stills the 12mp nikon has always given higher mp canons a serious run for thier money - its all about the filter and noise - of which we know nothing

also D3s claims better rolling shutter in its press release

S
 
All things considered this is absolutely an "S" update. For those of you not really familiar, Nikon does this to give minor spec bumps to cameras or tweak a few parts of it to keep the model going fresh while they work on the next major release. Nikon wasn't going to come up with a high end vastly improved 1080P camera that does 60fps and RAW video at this point in their release cycle.
 
Jeff Dunant said:
Well, Canon still have their 1D Mark IV under wraps, after that, I don't know. If Nikon and Canon do not put real video (I'm talking RAW, full manual control, 24/25/30p) in their flagship camera, I think it is safe to assume it could take a couple or more years for that to happen.

Or you could just wait until the Red comes out. Which it keeps seeming like that is what is going to happen for most people.
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You can't get 24 FPS RAW with existing bodies of any DSLR camera.

As we learned here it's all more or less about sensor "heat" issue

that is almost impossible with all those existing (H)DSLR designs.

Only in the case that you have a sort of

"Swiss - Eye - Egg - White - Digital - Camera - Lonely - Dreams"

as we saw it already here and that means you go with your

favorite CAD application and just do it yourself.

But that could also leads you to a kind of mind mast**bation as well.

Not so healthy anyway.

For that sort of "jokes" there are many other choices available. :biggrin: :emote_hanged: :sarcasm:
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Who is next?
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My eyes are looking forward to October 31st, when Olympus announces its new products. It is expected that an "E-P2" may be released at that time. Obviously a 4/3 sensor is not up to par with an APS-C or full frame sensor for stills work, but for those looking at possibilities in video, keep in mind that 4/3 is pretty close to a RED ONE sized sensor and there is pretty good glass available for 4/3 - micro 4/3 mount systems natively or through adapters. Olympus has been saying that they are going to be releasing cameras both above and below the quality / pricepoint of the E-P1... which is not half bad. The E-P2 might do 1080p in instead of the E-P1's 720p. It might support 24p and 30p versus the E-P1's 30p (and God forbid, let's get some NTSC pulled rates in the mix too). It is rumored to be weather sealed and support an EVF (detachable like the GF1). Micro 4/3 seems like a camera system that is ideally suited for video work and optimizes one's money towards the highest performance at a given (limited) price. If it actually supports a decent video codec, then it could be a real winner... I know, lots of ifs and coulds, but one can hope.
 
The first thing that Canon and Nikon will have to get rid of if they are serious about motion in their DSLR's is the mirror reflex system.
Canon gives us a nominal 1080P mode that only resolves about 480p without moire and aliasing issues. If Nikon's 720p is cleaner than Canon's 1080p then it is a win.
Tom I really like m4/3 as a motion format too. Panny may surprise everyone at some point.
I don't think the DSLR form factor is ultimately suitable for serious motion work. Too ergonomically inconvenient without loads of expensive accessories, money that would better be applied to a more motion centric camera design.
 
For everyday professional cinematographers and their assistants the senario of an DSLR and in some cases Red One paints a very bleak picture as they are simply not geared properly to shooting on camera dollies, cranes, crash housings, remote heads and a miriad of other equipment designed over a hundred years to address cinematography. The newer Red cameras will address this as will the new Arri cameras but DSLRs?
Canon, Nikon, Olympus dont see Hollywood or the TV networks as their natural customers its a fad that in the end will die out just because a JCB Fastrac tractor can travel like a car on the roads doesnt make it a car its a tractor and these primarily are still cameras with video thrown in because they have surcummed to one upmanship and me to rules.
 
Fail???

Fail???

"How long is it going to take for these companies to grow half a brain and actually release a camera that can do video properly?"


Saying Canikon are failing in their offerings is like saying McDonalds fails at serving steak and lobsters .... these series of cameras are still new they will not match anyone's standards

Any one who expects these guys to instantly(one year is instantly in this type of endevor) get it, isn't being realistic
 
I don't think any of these companies are going to compromise the primary function of these cameras, shooting stills, to accomodate the practical demands of video production.
They are not intended to be primary motion picture/video cameras and never will be. The functional and ergonomic requirements of the two disciplines are just too different.
The best we can hope for is that they will eventually migrate to larger sensors and high quality intra-frame codecs in their video cams too. But those will still be significantly more expensive than the still cams, as true motion picture cameras have always been.
 
All of these DSLR's need faster read/write to their own required media to achieve 1080p RAW. RED finally had to manufacture their own media to achieve their required read/write speeds. I seriously doubt Canon and Nikon will spec custom media. The big guys want you to be able to walk into a Walgreens and buy an extra card when you need it. They can't have a bunch of complaints about the video dropping frames, because they aren't in touch with the end-user all hours of the day and night like Jim is. The bad press would sink them eventually.
 
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