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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Nice "hot" day in Spain...

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Looks like things went much better today in Spain even though the temp was up a bit. We won't continue to give a day by day account, but it seems a system is now in place that everyone is comfortable with.

We are listening carefully to all comments from the shoot (that was the purpose) and continue to make adjustments to the program as we prepare for initial production.

I have taken a lot of flak on some boards (so I have been told) for being open about the R&D going on at the shoot. This whole idea of including the industry in our development has been a good thing overall. This board (Reduser) has made many suggestions that we have incorporated into our camera and accessories. The boards that make the most negative noise have contributed zero. It really is too bad since many on these boards are self-proclaimed experts. It would be easier to listen to criticism if it was productive in some small way. Sorry for the diatribe detour.

Jim
 
Thank you Jim, we all really enjoy your updates. The insight is much appreciated.
 
Brook Willard said:
Good to hear... and always thanks for the updates.

Are you able to share what the cooling "system" is?
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Someone called in a favor:

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Thanks for the updates Jim.

I'm sure you know how positively your being open about the R&D process has impacted alot of us. I own a production company down here in Australia and that very approach that you're speaking of has helped me to excite more than one high profile producer down here about the Red's viability. The open attitude really helps to foster a sense of trust.

Cheers mate, keep up the good work.
Seth.
 
Jannard said:
*edit - The boards that make the most negative noise have contributed zero. It really is too bad since many on these boards are self-proclaimed experts. It would be easier to listen to criticism if it was productive in some small way. Sorry for the diatribe detour.

Jim
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Screw em', most of those guys are pissed because they already
have a gravy train in place. They see the RED One coming down
the track and realize the gravy is about to run dry.
 
We will the miss the day by day. I think the biggest thing from the other boards is that those people really don't know what Red is doing. The people I've talked to (not that I know a ton of people, but still) don't seem to know even the basics of Red. They know it is a 4k digital camera, but then they say stupid things about "how you gonna hold all that data," obviously they don't know that the Red Team has worked miracles with the data rate. Anyway, we appreciate the updates.
 
Red Guy said:
Screw em', most of those guys are pissed because they already
have a gravy train in place. They see the RED One coming down
the track and realize the gravy is about to run dry.
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I think you've hit the nail on the proverbial head. Jim will get his poetic justice from the naysayers, when they order a RED.

IBloom
 
I don't really think it has much to do with gravy or trains. People in general just don't like change and BOY! are things changing. Also, you can't fix stupid so don't worry too much about the other guys.
Aloha
-A
 
It's not the problems that you have that matter, it's the way you handle them. The fact that Red listens to its customers and corrects the problems immediately says a lot for the company.
 
There was talk about an unpainted version of the camera. I think that's a good idea - I love the machined "billet" look. And it probably would keep it cooler. (I have some Emeco bare alumimum chairs I keep outside - and even in the hot sun - they're not hot.

"Cool to the touch even in the hot sun " source

http://www.csnstores.com/Emeco-1006-1006-Navy-Chair-EMO1000.html

A couple ideas about possible cooling.

1. I don't know exactly what you're doing now, but having a device constantly blowing air on the sensor, and another that sucks the air off - could serve a double purpose; besides cooling it, a constant rush of air would keep dust off the sensor. (Especially if there's a filter in the loop)

2. Using the aluminum case more effectively. Each panel could actually be two - with machined slots on each side which, when pressed together in clamshell fashion could form cooling chambers, or a long, looping hole that goes back and forth through the body, etc, not unlike how an engine block of a car is hollowed out with water jackets - you could have an internal grid which make the case work like a radiator. Also, if the path loops and exhausts, the length of the looping path would keep the mechanical noise down.

Along these same lines, lotsa ridges on the outside of the body to work as heat sinks/cooling fins. It also lightens the camera a bit. I think you could have a lot of fun in the industrial design department playing with this idea - start thinking motorcycles. More ridges increases handling grip.

3. Wacky idea (just had to throw on it to round out the number to three. But CO2 cartridges are ubiquitous and when discharged give off a cool air. If you could have a slot, that when need, can be loaded up with a cartridge that slowly releases the charge, dropping the temp. I have no idea if this would work, but it would drop the temp. Not sure how long the cartridge would last - and you don't need or want a noisy, powerful stream, just one that drops the temp - like NOS. If one could last half a day it might make sense when using in the hottest climates.

Lastly - a little food for thought; aluminum is a great heat conductor, copper is better, but the best of all? Silver. Might come in handy. Maybe if you're on Jeopardy.
 
Sumfun said:
It's not the problems that you have that matter, it's the way you handle them. The fact that Red listens to its customers and corrects the problems immediately says a lot for the company.
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Well said.
 
Dale Launer said:
3. Wacky idea (just had to throw on it to round out the number to three. But CO2 cartridges are ubiquitous and when discharged give off a cool air. If you could have a slot, that when need, can be loaded up with a cartridge that slowly releases the charge, dropping the temp. .
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heh heh you know what.. this is actually a pretty good idea (i think).
 
I think a floppy gel pack would be a lot cheaper...

Jim
 
Wait a second, at my work in embedded engineering, we have a can of "cold air" that we use to hit overheating boards with, drops the temperature like a rock. Couldn't an AC just back that in place of the normal CanOAir?

Then in between takes the AC hits it again, should relieve the need for constant gell packs that cause liquid condensation and thus are messy.
 
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