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Newbie Questions About Nikon and Red

Enzo said:
I corrected that mistake, thanks. I think you will still find that if you shoot wide open with the super-wide zoom lenses you may get some softness in the corners on the RED. And all the off-brand versions I tried had terrible color fringing.
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Hi,

Many lenses have problems wide open, even the 3.5mm Zeiss DigiPrimes costing around $30,000 portholes slightly until stopped down 1 stop. (That lens won't work directly on a Red I know, just an example of a very expensive lens not being perfect.)

Stephen
 
For my first post. All I can say is I loved these two comments...

What does all this have to do with a Nikon mount on the RED camera? after five pages of nothing to do with the Nikon mounts.

And the post about the waiter shooting his film and providing craft service was great.

I was wondering has anyone give thought to using this lens?

The new Angenieux Cinestyle zoom...

http://www.angenieux.com/pages/308.php?URL_Id=90&URL_Page=/pages/003.php
 
My Nikon 35-70mm was a problem even shooting stills but it was kinda loose anyway. I do not like the one-touch zoom lenses for RED use. How can you zoom and pull focus if you need to do both in a shot? There are a lot of these zoom lenses out there but I do not see how you can use them for any serious shooting with talent / drama.

A few things to consider:

If you plan on zooming by hand while shooting... I will advise against that idea as I tried it when I started out and it is very hard to do smoothly and makes your footage look amateur.

If you plan to add a follow focus ring to these lenses you will have a problem when zooming because the FF ring will be moving and therefore disengage from the FF control.

If you plan on using these zooms as "variable primes" and not zooming while shooting then no problem except you may have to have a camera tech tighten them so they do not zoom when you tilt up or down -- or bring a lot of camera tape...

The Berger may be the best & affordable solution to this problem using the newer lenses like your 12-24mm or the Canon 10-22mm.
 
That's for sure Stephen. My two Canon EF wide zoom lenses are sharp at F2.8 except in the very corners but like I said in the post I had to test a bunch of lenses to find them.

I had the same problems with my 17-35mm F2.8 Nikon and it took several to find a good one of those.

I do not like soft corners and cannot always or want to stop down therefore I would prefer to use the sweet part of these full-frame still lenses and not push the limits with barely getting coverage at 4K from a DX lens. Except for maybe that Canon 10-22mm.... If I can find a sharp enough one.
 
Let me set something straight here. A "G" lens is one without an aperture ring, but they can either be "DX" (15.8 X 23.6mm) or full frame(24 x 36mm). Don't keep using "G" lens to mean "DX" 'cause the "G" has nothing to do with their frame coverage. In fact the new Nikon FX digital lenses are "G" lenses (no aperture ring) and they are full frame.
 
Enzo, how do you know wether or not the DX lenses covers the red sensor? There are many advantages in using a lens designed for an adeqate chipsize. Zoom range can be a priority to many shooters. I think that for many aplictions the nikon 18-200mm VR could be a great cheap solution for lightweight efp shooting ... also the 17-55mm f/2.8 is a great range and in my oppinion much preferable to a more expensive 14-24mm full frame lens.
So even though you are only writing to "newbies" I suggest you state known facts instead of out guessing future test results.
 
Eddie,

If you had actually read the entire post... and went and looked at Brook Willard's FAQ link you would have seen his most excellent chart on how the various formats relate to the RED 4.5K sensor.

You can buy and use any lens you want - no one will care. This post was just a guide and like everything in life and each person should decide for themselves. And they should TEST their lenses.

This is 4K, not DV and not HD. The lenses being used will need to be the best quality one can afford to get professional results. In my opinion using lenses that just barely will cover the format may not be such a good idea in the long run. If a person is planning their lens purchase I think they would want to know to proceed with caution when it comes to these lenses. That is the point about these lenses.

If a person plans to only shoot 2K then these DX and EF-S lenses should be fine. If they plan to shoot 4K or at some point 4.5K RAW then, in my opinion, they may be disappointed with some of these lenses (mostly the super-wide zooms) especially if they ever see their footage on a 40 foot wide screen.
 
Seung I appreciated your question. I am in the same boat as you but am more geared towards DPing than directing. Been working as lighting technician and shooting webisodes for magazines for the last year. All HVX stuff. And am both fearfull and hopefull for the increases in my knowledge and profession I want to gain by purchasing RED. Paul thanks for your encouraging words too.
 
Nobody's going to be shooting the 4,5K uncompressed optical link to the fridge-sized RAID. Be realistic. It's not worth it. People have the fear of compression pushed into them but you have to understand... REDcode is good enough.
And these guys have to make build 16, keep up with the current demand, ramp up production, fix the post tools, develop two new cameras, the new lenses and the new red ray magic codec that'll fit 2h 4K in a DVD-R-DL (I won't believe that until I see it). It's not worth the development time and they have other priorities now.:construction:
I'm the biggest RED supporter but you have to be realistic.
If you want a fridge sized camera get a Dalsa :D
j/k
 
Now, lot of people are using Nikon lenses. It will be interesting to know which Nikons are performing better. Is AI still the winner or AF is doing better with Nikon mount.
Cheers
 
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