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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New Workstation Build - i7 X99, Titan X, Overclocking...

If you move your raid over and get an SSD for the OS drive then yes your performance with 5K R3D should be good at 1/2. When I tested 5K media here at 96 frame the 5960X 4.5GHz handled it at full resolution playback but the load was near or at 100%. The 6 core wont be able to handle that but should be fine with 1/2 res playback. Just make sure you get atleast 32GB of ram preferably DDR4 2400+ and a 980 GTX video card or higher. The experience you describe with Vegas 13 Pro was regardless of 1080 or 4K media depending on the GPU acceleration used. I have had many clients state the same problems even with newer hardware. That is the current state of their GPU acceleration which can be a anchor to the performance as much as a boon if implemented poorly.
 
Here we go! Just received all the parts! I'll add the RAID system and storage later, I'll start with the M.2 for the OS and my Pegasus TB2 for storage. Wish me luck and see you soon!

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Anyone tested if the 6GB RAM of a GTX980 ti are sufficient for 5k and 6k work incl. temporal denoise etc? I'm considering to purchase either a GTX 980 ti or Titan X.

Also do you use the M.2 Ultra on which the OS is installed also for the cache in Premiere and Resolve? Or an extra SSD?
 
If your current performance is far lower than you prefer for realtime playback then I would suggest the Titan X. The 980Ti will handle 5K and 6K playback with 6GB of ram. However those frame sizes use significant vram for each FX applied to those frames. The more complicated the workflow then the greater amount of vram required for realtime.
 
Octave - let us know how the Rampage board does with the EXII and R6 vs OSX.
 
You're all terrible influences. I'm building a machine later this week (when parts arrive) with:

Asus X99 Deluxe
TB EX card
5960X (hoping I can get a good OC, if not I may return/resell and get the 5930K as I do a lot of single-thread stuff outside of Resolve)
My existing Titan X (2x)
32 GB for now (will up to 64 as pricing of DDR4 improves, 4x8GB)

Water cooling with a custom loop, should be an interesting one. Oh, and a lot of this prompted because Apple gave me a BRAND NEW in the retail box 6-core Mac Pro which still fails to run Resolve at 4k UHD without massive problems :(
 
David - Keep an eye on Newegg daily deals and look out on Amazon Day (Tomorrow) for DD4 64GB kits around $600. I paid nearly $1000 for my original kit and upon arrival it had dropped to $650 online. I quickly returned it to Newegg and swapped to lower price. That's a steal all things considered.
 
Blair,
I assume from your comment that the D500 cards in a MacPro don't work well with Resolve? Are the 700s any better? We mainly use Premiere Pro CC 2015, Resolve and the Red software - I'm still looking at options, as we're an all Mac outfit and really trying to resist a move away if at all possible. Realtime full res playback is second to render speed for us, but I'm concious with Weapon 8K on the horizon which ever road we go has to be able to play that back at a reasonable resolution?

The X99 setups here are attractive, but confusing!

Richard
 
Blair - D500

Jason - will do!

Richard - we too are all Mac but I have a ton of experience building and modifying PCs. I'll probably still edit and do After Effects on the nMP but will do color in Resolve on PC... Apple might be giving me another new machine but this time D700s, if anyone knows tha will fix it?
 
Hi David,
Thanks for the comment. Hope you get it sorted this time! Would you be good enough to let me know how the D700s get on? You've raised an interesting point that I hadn't considered, and that is to set up a PC rig purely for Resolve. Hmm! Too many options with all this lark!

Cheers
Richard
 
If you really want to nitro Resolve, I think Linux is still the call. PC builds likes Jeff's that started this thread are likely the best option in terms of cost, sysadmin requirements, easy interface with the non-Linux universe, etc.

For the Mac-heads, I was under the impression that a full spec NeoMP with 64GB RAM and dual D700s ran Resolve quite nicely. So I have to ask: are David's issues due to a lack of resources under the hood, or, is BMD skimping on software engineering for the latest Mac port? OSX support for larger rasters is not always well implemented so perhaps there's an odd conflict that is hanging David up? Sometimes GPU drivers directly from the card vendor work better, sometimes they suck, ...

FWIW, until the second gen NeoMP cylinders ship I wouldn't build a Resolve suite around the MacPro unless I had a system integrator in the mix who was on the hook for making it sing. As Richard suggests, in July of 2015, the best bet is probably to have a PC with TitanXs for Resolve on a fast LAN with your MacPro. YMMV.

Cheers - #19
 
My understanding is it's something between Apple and AMD - either Catalyst drivers lagging far behind PC ports or Apple not properly supporting their developers - as these nMP problems extend to more than Resolve they crop up in Adobe apps, in things like Magic Bullet Looks - aka, its not BMD's fault.
 
The GPU acceleration performance is more stable and better on Windows right now since the GPU manufacturers and software designers can update as needed on demand without Microsoft. Combine this with the far longer development time invested in Cuda versus Open CL and you have the current reasons why the applications perform better and are more stable on Windows right now and that is before the hardware advantage. Apple is completely controlling the Open CL updates for OSX and that forces the partners to wait on Apple to resolve issues and reliant apon Apple not to break the Open CL in an update which unfortunately is still occurring. Along with this DDR4 is a huge impact on GPU acceleration performance and that right now is PC only. So every way you look at this the media content applications are performing better and are more stable on PC on Windows especially for higher res media that has massive memory management. The issues with Open CL right now are memory management based and those are the hardest to isolate and resolve since memory management takes refinement over a long period of time.
 
Blair,
Thats an another interesting thought or query, which maybe could provide an answer to the conundrum?

We run Gigabit Ethernet in the office. If we had something like the Lacie 48TB Thunderbolt 2 devices, which are rack mount, connected to a Retina 5K iMac, or well spec'd NewMPro, and shared the drive over the network to a dedicated edit PC, so in essence we get the best of both worlds - would the transfer over the net be fast enough to support that kind of editing/rendering/operation - or does that introduce a new bottleneck in the scenario. Could be vice-versa I guess, with the storage drives connected to the PC, with the Mac accessing remotely.

In my mind, Gigabit Ethernet, that is almost direct between the machines (just through a Gigabit switch) should be able to move the traffic fast enough? But perhaps I'm wrong?

EDIT: Sorry - not trying to hijack the thread!

Richard
 
Hi Jeff, I'm looking at building a system like yours, and I was wondering if you'd make any changes now that you've had it. I know you mentioned a different case, anything else you'd change?

Also, how noisy is the system? I'm using a nMP at work and I love how quiet it is. I don't want to end up with a leaf blower like some PC's I've seen.

Last time I built a PC was probably 10-15 years ago. The CPU cooler and Areca RAID are new for me, what's the level of difficulty on those?

Do you have a recommendation for hard drives for a RAID? Is it better to have more drives with less capacity for more speed?

Also, compared to an 8 core nMP with D700's, how much faster would this PC be?

Sorry for so many questions, thanks in advance!!
 
One note is there appears to be a newer version of the Samsung m.2 SSD, the SM951 as opposed to the XM941.
 
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