It's half baked and pretty much unusable for anything requiring more than basic control over quicktime creation.
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It's half baked and pretty much unusable for anything requiring more than basic control over quicktime creation.
REDcineX is the first app out.
RocketcineX will be released also with new color support.
The SDK will be released early next week.
A couple of 3rd party apps are using the new MX SDK and have betas out there.
In Rocket monitor output mode, no images can go back to the card simultaneously (decoding full 4k is too intensive). We're looking at alternative methods to get it going simultaneously.
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Thanks for your reply Rob, it's much appreciated. I think this might be the first time there has been a mention of RedRocket working with Red software on the Windows side of the fence (pls correct me if I'm wrong).
Looking forward to testing the new Redcine-X on my PC!
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There is a unified, 64 bit interface that can control both Quicktime 7 and Quicktime X called QTKit, but as Rob said, the current release of Quicktime-X isn't very full featured, so it'd be using Quicktime 7 anyway. Also, QTKit is only available on Mac OS X at the current time as far as I know, which is a problem for cross-platform applications.
Hopefully there'll be a new version of Quicktime-X released around the time that the next version of Final Cut Studio is released. I'd expect that Apple want to move to the new platform as soon as possible.
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RC-X audio
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Deanan,
Any idea why when pulling a clip filmed over last few days, onto the timeline in RC-X I get no audio, yet when I choose older clips ie filmed months ago - audio plays fine?
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joe
RC-X audio
Deanan,
Any idea why when pulling a clip filmed over last few days, onto the timeline in RC-X I get no audio, yet when I choose older clips ie filmed months ago - audio plays fine?
best
joe
Try setting the camera playback channels to 3/4.
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Hi everyone, this is my first post. I'm an AC/DMT up in the SF Bay Area, and am a regular on the "other" forum. Hope that doesn't hurt my reception over here. :wink5:
A good portion of my work is with the Red camera and my main tool of choice for on-set review and post work has thus far been Redcine. I'm usually working off my 17" MBP screen, with a 23" ACD for non-mobile stuff. My work is mainly corporate, industrial, commercial, and shorts.
What I like best about Redcine is the interface:
- It maximizes the image window for a single screen.
- All clips from a roll immediately import into the timeline for quick review.
- Separate tabs for Project/Shot, etc. keeps the interface uncluttered.
- The format/scaling/framing tools are excellent - detailed, elegant and visually intuitive.
As you might guess, these are the things I find problematic with Redcine-X:
- The window layout is cluttered - I'm spending too much time moving around or closing the multitude of windows rather than working. Also, now you really need a 2nd monitor to view the image at a workable size, not something you always want or are able to do.
- The format/scaling/framing tool is dumbed down - we've lost the visual feedback of the different scaling options. This makes it harder to see if you've made a dumb mistake until the clip has rendered out, way too late.
For example: I was doing a test grade from a mix of 4K 16:9, 4KHD 16:9, 3K 2:1 footage, all from the same job (don't ask). I couldn't see that the 3K 2:1 footage was being squeezed anamorphically into 16:9 because there were no frame guides and Fit tab in the Framing window was not giving me feedback in the Display window. I only discovered my mistake after rendering the clip out.
- The new timeline is clunky - it's hard to tell the separate shots apart at a glance when you just want to jump back and forth from shot to shot. Also, it doesn't scale all the way out so the whole timeline from start to end fits on a single screen. Not so bad when you've only got a few short clips, but it would be really annoying to have to scroll through 20+ minutes of long and short takes to find and grade shot to shot.
- It doesn't seem like you can save multiple grades at the moment, though I suspect you guys are going to fix that.
- No undo Command-Z, History, or Grade On/Off toggle function.
- Build 84 is crashing in the middle of every Export render after the first successful one. Not sure why. I'm running OS 10.5.8 on a MBP 3,1 2.4GHz with 4GB ram. Reading/writing from and to the internal 7200RPM 320GB drive (with over 50% free). Rendering 5 clips of about 10-30 seconds each to ProRes422 1080P. It worked the first time, but continues to crash about 15 minutes into the render every time I try again with a different grade. I've tried rebooting, but no dice.
As for the new Redcolor/Red Gamma:
I typically view on set in Rec 709, which means we are lighting to this gamma. I've found that the Camera RGB/Rec 709 combo (with added color sat. and contrast) gives the closest approximation of the on set look while still having some leeway to grade. It seems to have a pretty smooth linear tonality, which is nice and gentle on skin tones.
While replacing Camera RGB with Redcolor seems to work fine (I'm just adding less color sat. in post), Red Gamma makes the image much more contrasty, pushing the mids way up - it's a "look" for sure, but it's not accurate to what we saw on set. I think if you've shot and lit for Rec 709, then Red Gamma is the wrong way to go. I guess if we can view in Red Gamma on Build 22, then it may be an option at that point, but I just don't see how it can be used with footage that has already been lit and exposed for a different gamma. It's almost like a "Kodak Vision Premier" LUT or something (after you've gotten used to seeing dailies on regular Vision stock), but more extreme.
FLUT is an excellent tool, great job there. Sorry for the epic first post...
A good portion of my work is with the Red camera and my main tool of choice for on-set review and post work has thus far been Redcine. I'm usually working off my 17" MBP screen, with a 23" ACD for non-mobile stuff. My work is mainly corporate, industrial, commercial, and shorts.
What I like best about Redcine is the interface:
- It maximizes the image window for a single screen.
- All clips from a roll immediately import into the timeline for quick review.
- Separate tabs for Project/Shot, etc. keeps the interface uncluttered.
- The format/scaling/framing tools are excellent - detailed, elegant and visually intuitive.
As you might guess, these are the things I find problematic with Redcine-X:
- The window layout is cluttered - I'm spending too much time moving around or closing the multitude of windows rather than working. Also, now you really need a 2nd monitor to view the image at a workable size, not something you always want or are able to do.
- The format/scaling/framing tool is dumbed down - we've lost the visual feedback of the different scaling options. This makes it harder to see if you've made a dumb mistake until the clip has rendered out, way too late.
For example: I was doing a test grade from a mix of 4K 16:9, 4KHD 16:9, 3K 2:1 footage, all from the same job (don't ask). I couldn't see that the 3K 2:1 footage was being squeezed anamorphically into 16:9 because there were no frame guides and Fit tab in the Framing window was not giving me feedback in the Display window. I only discovered my mistake after rendering the clip out.
- The new timeline is clunky - it's hard to tell the separate shots apart at a glance when you just want to jump back and forth from shot to shot. Also, it doesn't scale all the way out so the whole timeline from start to end fits on a single screen. Not so bad when you've only got a few short clips, but it would be really annoying to have to scroll through 20+ minutes of long and short takes to find and grade shot to shot.
- It doesn't seem like you can save multiple grades at the moment, though I suspect you guys are going to fix that.
- No undo Command-Z, History, or Grade On/Off toggle function.
- Build 84 is crashing in the middle of every Export render after the first successful one. Not sure why. I'm running OS 10.5.8 on a MBP 3,1 2.4GHz with 4GB ram. Reading/writing from and to the internal 7200RPM 320GB drive (with over 50% free). Rendering 5 clips of about 10-30 seconds each to ProRes422 1080P. It worked the first time, but continues to crash about 15 minutes into the render every time I try again with a different grade. I've tried rebooting, but no dice.
As for the new Redcolor/Red Gamma:
I typically view on set in Rec 709, which means we are lighting to this gamma. I've found that the Camera RGB/Rec 709 combo (with added color sat. and contrast) gives the closest approximation of the on set look while still having some leeway to grade. It seems to have a pretty smooth linear tonality, which is nice and gentle on skin tones.
While replacing Camera RGB with Redcolor seems to work fine (I'm just adding less color sat. in post), Red Gamma makes the image much more contrasty, pushing the mids way up - it's a "look" for sure, but it's not accurate to what we saw on set. I think if you've shot and lit for Rec 709, then Red Gamma is the wrong way to go. I guess if we can view in Red Gamma on Build 22, then it may be an option at that point, but I just don't see how it can be used with footage that has already been lit and exposed for a different gamma. It's almost like a "Kodak Vision Premier" LUT or something (after you've gotten used to seeing dailies on regular Vision stock), but more extreme.
FLUT is an excellent tool, great job there. Sorry for the epic first post...
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I don't post much, But we use Redcine everyday and since its been taken down this is pretty important to us...
Redcine was one of the main reasons why we got a Red one in the first place- a great example of how 4k is possible on a desktop - its has been a major part of our workflow... but now its gone! We want it back..
FLUT is interesting, color wheels are great.
but The X Interface is terrible, not only with design, but also with work-flow esp on set with a mac book pro, it really does feel like a consumer imovie/ired app... our hands hurt after using it for 30 min...
We don't need edit tools - We just need RT playback and some light colour correct and fast export... the yellow load bar is very annoying every few secs!
Redcine was the way to go.. Please bring the interface and RT back...
That interface was very well thought out and there is no reason to bail it!
We don't need textures behind panels or 1990's floating panels - keep with the strong simple clean grid system interface and the old code for RT not ram buffer stuff
thx
Ash
Redcine was one of the main reasons why we got a Red one in the first place- a great example of how 4k is possible on a desktop - its has been a major part of our workflow... but now its gone! We want it back..
FLUT is interesting, color wheels are great.
but The X Interface is terrible, not only with design, but also with work-flow esp on set with a mac book pro, it really does feel like a consumer imovie/ired app... our hands hurt after using it for 30 min...
We don't need edit tools - We just need RT playback and some light colour correct and fast export... the yellow load bar is very annoying every few secs!
Redcine was the way to go.. Please bring the interface and RT back...
That interface was very well thought out and there is no reason to bail it!
We don't need textures behind panels or 1990's floating panels - keep with the strong simple clean grid system interface and the old code for RT not ram buffer stuff
thx
Ash
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Add my vote for the cleaner interface look of the old Redcine.
I am playing the Win build 54 version of RC-X. Very happy to have a version that will export cleanly from my Radeon equipped laptop. Redcine never did that.
Thanks
I am playing the Win build 54 version of RC-X. Very happy to have a version that will export cleanly from my Radeon equipped laptop. Redcine never did that.
Thanks
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Couple of notes...
1. REC 709 throws info away that REDgamma keeps.
2. The U/I has been scheduled for a clean up AFTER we get everything working. I think you will like where it will go.
3. Camera RGB is not accurate. REDcolor is.
Jim
1. REC 709 throws info away that REDgamma keeps.
2. The U/I has been scheduled for a clean up AFTER we get everything working. I think you will like where it will go.
3. Camera RGB is not accurate. REDcolor is.
Jim
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I don't post much, But we use Redcine everyday and since its been taken down this is pretty important to us...
Redcine was one of the main reasons why we got a Red one in the first place- a great example of how 4k is possible on a desktop - its has been a major part of our workflow... but now its gone! We want it back..
FLUT is interesting, color wheels are great.
but The X Interface is terrible, not only with design, but also with work-flow esp on set with a mac book pro, it really does feel like a consumer imovie/ired app... our hands hurt after using it for 30 min...
We don't need edit tools - We just need RT playback and some light colour correct and fast export... the yellow load bar is very annoying every few secs!
Redcine was the way to go.. Please bring the interface and RT back...
That interface was very well thought out and there is no reason to bail it!
We don't need textures behind panels or 1990's floating panels - keep with the strong simple clean grid system interface and the old code for RT not ram buffer stuff
thx
Ash
Hear, hear... regarding RT playback. The clean interface of Redcine was cool but the number one thing I miss is RT playback at 1/4 res and 16fps at 1/2 res. IDK why it was EOL... especially now that we only have a alpha beta to rely on and to make it worse the alpha beta is extremely slow.
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I don't post much, But we use Redcine everyday and since its been taken down this is pretty important to us...
Redcine was one of the main reasons why we got a Red one in the first place- a great example of how 4k is possible on a desktop - its has been a major part of our workflow... but now its gone! We want it back..
FLUT is interesting, color wheels are great.
but The X Interface is terrible, not only with design, but also with work-flow esp on set with a mac book pro, it really does feel like a consumer imovie/ired app... our hands hurt after using it for 30 min...
We don't need edit tools - We just need RT playback and some light colour correct and fast export... the yellow load bar is very annoying every few secs!
Redcine was the way to go.. Please bring the interface and RT back...
That interface was very well thought out and there is no reason to bail it!
We don't need textures behind panels or 1990's floating panels - keep with the strong simple clean grid system interface and the old code for RT not ram buffer stuff
thx
Ash
maybe scratchcine is the app for you? its the stable big brother of redcine, but costs some dollars
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What is the app for the low budget cinematographer that currently cannot afford a redrocket? Redcine fitted that user base perfectly.
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premiere pro?
clipfinder?
red alert?
redcine?---it not on the support page anymore, but somone who used it will probably have it, right
Proxies?
i hope i got your question right.
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premiere pro?
clipfinder?
red alert?
redcine?---it not on the support page anymore, but somone who used it will probably have it, right
Proxies?
i hope i got your question right.
Those apps do not currently support camera firmware Build 21 or the MX sensor upgrade. The main issue is RT playback with the same functionality as Redcine. Redcine supports up to Build 20. Premiere Pro doesn't even support Build 20. Redalert is not the same program as Redcine. Having to transcode to proxies to get a decent playback is one step backwards and a slow process compared to the toolset we already had (Redcine). Clipfinder is not the same program as Redcine (lack of RT and clean interface).
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Clipfinder is the current swiss-armyknife. High quality result. XML integration with FCP/Color. "next-newest" color wizardry. Just works very well for both barch-proxy-creation and putting files online as DPXs (or prores 4444, if that's within what you desire).
Love it!
Hope Hans Georg gets his hands on the new SDK as soon as it is ready to give out!
You CAN correct clips just from in to out...
Love it!
Hope Hans Georg gets his hands on the new SDK as soon as it is ready to give out!
You CAN correct clips just from in to out...
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now i got it, ok with build 21 you have a point, but as long as MX is not in my camera i dont need a post solution for that.
guess we are back in the nobody knows how to online times
which, i am sure will not last longer than a couple of weeks.
and guess the post soulutions (three As and what is their name, should move their ass, if they want us customers to be happy)
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