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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

new RED Pro Program...

Chris. said:
I agree with you, I personally prefer REDs current setup... I was commenting that this idea would have to be thought through a little more before it would be a feasible approach. Your idea would probably be the best solution if it were to ever be made. Good thinking, even if I don't want one. :)
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Good catch, I usually don't miss stuff like that, I guess trying to design at midnight on a Saturday after drinking for a bit is a bad idea.

There are some other ways to tackle it for sure, I guess I was hoping to get the ideas rolling and see if people wanted to have an integrated module. If it's not made, then I probably hack a spacer module and make my own just for kicks.

Thanks for the comments, Chris and Karl.

KO
 
Chris. said:
While I think it's an interesting idea Kevin, especially for a run-and-gun type of rig, there is a technical flaw (see image below) that would have to be overcome first to make this idea work in one of the following ways:

  1. The LCD would have to be a fair bit smaller to allow clearance of the bottom edge of the module when being sung in. (The LCD would then be to small for my own personal liking).
  2. If the LCD were left the same size the hinge would need to pull out sung down and then slid in to allow clearance of the bottom edge of the module. (If not designed very strong the hinge "track", that would allow it to be pulled out, might be susceptible to warpage over time.)
  3. If the LCD were left the same size the bottom of the module would have to remain open to allow the LCD clearance to swing in. (This would not make for a strong module especially one that could support weight hung off the back of it.)
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This would help run/gun folks in a handy cam kinda way, where instead of using evf, you'd swing out lcd. You could also do this with the existing arm however it keeps in neatly folded away. However lots more people would want it in other positions on the camera. To accommodate them it'll have to be removable from swing arm. Don't forget cable in this regard. I'd say at best, you'd have it as an option as there are too may other positions required of lcd.
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Like the concept...not sure how secure the pivot would be though...in run and gun sitch...wouldn't last a very long time in Cloverfield situation (which I just watched incidently for the first time a min ago...man was I glad when it was over...glad it was only 80mins long!)
 
I like this concept, but you're wasting your breath. I'm sure Jim and the Red team have already figured something out that's twice as cool :)
 
Tim Hole said:
Like the concept...not sure how secure the pivot would be though...in run and gun sitch...wouldn't last a very long time in Cloverfield situation (which I just watched incidently for the first time a min ago...man was I glad when it was over...glad it was only 80mins long!)
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So the movie did some good.. You were scared of the monster!

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Impagliazzo said:
So the movie did some good.. You were scared of the monster!

:tongue:
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Pietro I have to be honest I was hiding behind a pillow every second of the film...never been so scared in all my life...I wish...

...I liked it for about fifteen minutes...then got incredibly bored...
 
Jonathan Stevenson said:
I like this concept, but you're wasting your breath. I'm sure Jim and the Red team have already figured something out that's twice as cool :)
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I'm sure you're being positive here?
Red constantly say they use this board for feedback, inspiration, solutions. Don't think Chris is wasting his breath.
The concept of a foldaway lcd has some merit if only to provide concept or inspiration for further.
Maybe change it so it's more like DVD tray or add an articulated arm etc. Red team doesn't have the monoploy on design.
All suggestions welcome here.

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What if it was like a drawer with a 2 axis swivel.

Straighten it out. Slide it in. No swinging necessary.

I suspect the convincing us we want it would be more difficult than the mechanical engineering of the mechanism.
 
Even if RED didn't, eventually we are going to see plenty of 3rd party modules of varying quality on the market are we not!
 
Tim Hole said:
Even if RED didn't, eventually we are going to see plenty of 3rd party modules of varying quality on the market are we not!
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Not if their connectors are proprietary which I am sure they will chose to make them so. The money is not in the brains, it is in the accessories and probably some of the modules. They guy's got to make his money back.
 
USlatin said:
Not if their connectors are proprietary which I am sure they will chose to make them so. The money is not in the brains, it is in the accessories and probably some of the modules. They guy's got to make his money back.
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Yes, connector may be an issue. I would agree and guarantee that the module connection will be proprietary. But the display connections aren't, are they? Is everyone having to use the RED LCD with their RED One?

If so, you could still use a independent RED LCD with the display connector, just have the LCD always connected and wired to the brain from the outside. Making a swing arm with wired connection, as I originally drew it, would be expensive and too likely to break. The little flimsy arms on an HV20/30 are not going to be up to the task too.

Essentially, you would offer a swing out rod, that allowed the LCD to be removed or concealed inside a module, and a display cable that retracted with the LCD inside the module. As Gavin pointed out, a two axis swivel that avoiding the rotating hypotenuse issue, would help with maximum size too.
 
Physical ain't the problem here! regarding lcds, your problem is proprietary signalling (not connections)which to date has not been reverse engineered because there hasn't been the demand. think Sigma vs Canon.
 
david farland said:
Physical ain't the problem here! regarding lcds, your problem is proprietary signalling (not connections)which to date has not been reverse engineered because there hasn't been the demand. think Sigma vs Canon.
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Aha! that makes more sense. Thanks for that, I'll rethink this a bit.
 
All I can say is, make sure there is enough of the good stuff when it starts to sell.
 
I'd rather stick with RED for quality, however there are some smart firms out there that will be doing things that RED aren't interested in doing...you just know that people like Dennis Wood and others are gonna be all over scarlet as soon as its released.
 
david farland said:
I'm sure you're being positive here?
Red constantly say they use this board for feedback, inspiration, solutions. Don't think Chris is wasting his breath.
The concept of a foldaway lcd has some merit if only to provide concept or inspiration for further.
Maybe change it so it's more like DVD tray or add an articulated arm etc. Red team doesn't have the monoploy on design.
All suggestions welcome here.

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Thanks for speaking up in my defense however my post was actually a response to Kevin Olsen's original post... this idea was his. Thanks though! And I completely agree with you, this forum is for sharing ideas, designs and making requests, after all the Scarlet is only what it is (or is becoming) because of healthy mix of everyone's ideas and a superb design Team at RED who are willing to listen to those ideas and requests. :)
 
I have a simplest set of five primes, including 85mm and 100mm.

They are:
16
35
50
85
100

I would call it quite a normal, if not obvious, set of five. Not too tightly packed together, perhaps. But useful for almost everything. I am in my thirties and I can pretty much move forward and back by some centimeters or meter with my camera to adjust the angle if necessary.
(Someone seems unable to adapt to the angles of view that lenses allow, but it really requires moving your ass a tiny bit. You can not have a 1mm increment in focal lenghts at every step, it's not worthwhile, you would carry around a set of 50+ lenses)

And I'm very happy about it. No problem at all. I don't know if slightly different focal lenghts could have improved my shooting or not, but I like a lot lenses at 50mm and above, so this is perfect for me. I use the 85mm all the time, and 100mm quite often too.
35mm, 50mm and 85mm are the single 3 lenses I use the most.
There is always time to buy other lenses to fit in between...
 
David, yea I bet figuring out the connections is something I could do myself even, but it might be illegal for others to use it without paying Red. Is that how proprietary stuff works? I don't know enough about engineering/R&D/etc...

The cool thing is that Red has made it clear that they want Red to be able to do anything and everything. They will make their stuff and at the same time encourage people to support Red where they don't venture. Software and hardware included.

I guess once DSMC has been out for about a year we'll start to see other stuff roll out for it, both from Red and 3rd party. Red will continue expanding their line of products and as more and more people switch over the Red market will be able to support more engineers, etc...
 
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