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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New MacPro predictions? Hopes? Fears?

Jarek Zabczynski said:
Marc Wielage for CEO...
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Not of my company. I'm talking about a MAC product, not a Hackintosh, and a better alternative to the a round big can we were talking about for normal cards, that can still have a cooling core and look good and trendy in shiny black.

But Marc you are welcome to start a rack workstation thread to do something like I mentioned.

By the way, "Jesus" is somebody else, and we should respect him.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Not of my company. I'm talking about a MAC product, not a Hackintosh, and a better alternative to the a round big can we were talking about for normal cards, that can still have a cooling core and look good and trendy in shiny black.

But Marc you are welcome to start a rack workstation thread to do something like I mentioned.

By the way, "Jesus" is somebody else, and we should respect him.
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I think he was implying that Apple should make a badass rack mountable MacPro, but they don't give a shit.
 
Ha, ha, look at my post he attached to it though. I know, I thought that but it also reads a different way, so I thought I would have a little fun. OK, I'll talk about some "REAL" innovation.
 
Back in my day, when I was designing an embedded deterministic real time virtual OS for everything from wristwatch to supercomputers (I actually come up with a new mini computer like hardware system, I found out years latter when I found out his they worked. I actually was designing to avoid all sorts ofnattacks, even hardware, where one of the few weaknesses was if a hardware item repeatedly cut itself off from the "new type" daisy chainned buss repeatedly producing service exceptions hundrdds of times or more a second, after I read 2010 a Soace Odyssey where they were installing a mini guilotine in Hal incase they needed to disvonnect him)tha I also was doing up design work for all new hardware and protocols. The pseudo VOS and hardware matched up as the petfect solution. Pretty amazing stuff, still. One thing was kick arse workstation case design. I actually attempted latter to figure out a design where you could put the modules (protected cards in this case) in a case, physical shake it up and have the modules assemble themselves into a working system. Real freakin genuise stuff (in reality not that useful for that solution, but a great demo) I used to be scary smart before that.

Anyway, last decade I took some of the design principles to come up with a instant on personal mini blade case that you have never seen. I wanted to take it to Microsoft or Intel for a sale, pretty out there stuff.

Now, let's look at this yet another way, a docking bus system (actually I just came up with another killer modular notebook design, that is so elegant this one is a game changer as it will do thinline notebooks, eben with BR. I was reading Jeff's workstation thread, about the issues people were having with cabling. What I propose is the use of chassis structural beam space. In this way a Case can be designed with power and I/O cabling inbuilt. The cards, or drives etc, slot in, plug in, and you clamp/screw/bolt down, no fuss, no cable needed (unless you have to repair the cable). The cabling follows inside the structural beams, or in case of angle iron, inside the angle, or attached to it (even wandering around zip tied to it). To keep things compact, and limit interference, you use optical IO (I come up with a photonic energy system through the optical cable, but if you get a break it becomes potentially very dangerous, so I dropped the idea. But useful somewhere, even in MQDCA as the energy requirements are low and the frequencies can.be raise to make a loss cable archueve very limited penertration, and even self sealing etc)). However, a slower IO over power IO interface might also be used.

Now, let's backackup. My design principle the power supply attaches to the chassis power bus module that handels redistribution of power around the chassis. If it breaks you buy a replacement (it has safety features to, and reconnect to a supply connector the power supply slots onto, and the distribution headers.

Note, this is a primitive version of the petabytes/sec sort of chasis I was planning years back. This rehash of it is what I can do.on an hourly basis (takes a while to sort out the practical mechanisms and which optimal. But reasonably happy with the mini blade work put there, because it goes towards some of my design speculation, even being able to make a wall out of them stacked, as a mini server farm, with freamin frame. Hundreds. So, I've had a big interest in some rraly high performance computer stuff on black box in isolation. Reinventing the means you vsn bypass a lot of BS, if you're good, and reflect back on other soluruins similarities or not afterwards. Literally thinking outside the box, in another box with realistic boundaries.

However, what we should do, is put our money towards perfecting a next generation low power computer technology, like Magnetic Quantum Dot Cellular Automata. A lot of stuff can be done at that speed, with a hybrid mix of high speed circuits where that is required. I really would like to attempt my cheap magnetic FPGA design, a real game changer (if after 10 years I can still beat everybody ekse to it). And with my more advanced 3D printing proposal it is possible to make atom level computational device on a bench process, which means I could attempt my atomic level computer designs, or the camera I am planning. Imagine being able to fan test your own designs on a weekly rooster for thousands (depends on how fast I can get the printer to print it, but it does scale up for mass production). Thousands are a higher end guess figure. With MQDCA (I think I know his to solve the speed issue, and ensure genuine trickle power) you could do a 2 sqM 3D circuit print (who knows how long) as a desktop with who knows what proportion of processing power compared to all the processing power in the world. Ultimately it depends on physical characteristics of how much volume and energy you can fit without it fusing. Then I can start work on the really interesting stuff. I've long established a path to manipulate structures below the atomic scamd, down to the plank level. Such a precision unit would allow investigation of this technique, and several computer processing technology techniques past basic atomic level computing. I need a materials scientist/chemist and physicist though. I've got an inclination on a stage past basic atomic scale computing that is interesting. The physics theory I was working on indicates some interesting stuff, scary different.

So who said Apple is that innovative? I would have more respect for them if they tried more to be like Apllle of the Apple III and Lisa/MAC days, but with no monochrome little screen limitations.
 
Could Red or Jim buy OS X off of Apple. They don't want it any more it seems. Then we could have some serious power. When I was at Intel, I tried to tell anyone that would listen to Buy OS X off of Apple as a way to keep the PC sales going.
 
Thomas Koch said:
Could Red or Jim buy OS X off of Apple. They don't want it any more it seems. Then we could have some serious power. When I was at Intel, I tried to tell anyone that would listen to Buy OS X off of Apple as a way to keep the PC sales going.
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OSX seems alive and well on laptops and iMacs.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
It used to be that you could choose whether software was auto-downloaded or had to be "summoned" by you when/if you wanted to upgrade. It wasn't clear from a quick read of this article whether it remains an option or not. But, at least you are informed and given the option to decline the upgrade if you want.
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You are supposed to have control over what is downloaded, I thought, by turning off Automatically Check For Updates in the App Store prefs. If that is not the case and Apple is going to auto download files anyway, I have a huge problem with that. I mainly keep my editing systems off the internet, but I can't always avoid it. I will be very pissed if Apple just forces a download onto my machine without me knowing, even though it's not installing it. To me, that's just sneaky business and it didn't work too well with the whole U2 auto download.

Hopefully they are not overriding the settings. This will leave a very bad taste in my mouth.
 
Thomas Koch said:
Could Red or Jim buy OS X off of Apple. They don't want it any more it seems. Then we could have some serious power. When I was at Intel, I tried to tell anyone that would listen to Buy OS X off of Apple as a way to keep the PC sales going.
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No, Apple will not sell/license off OSX or their PC business, even as they transition to phasing it out completely come 2020

Why?

Apple is consumer focused.
Apple considers OSX a competitor to iOS.
Allowing OSX to flourish interferes with the goal of transitioning PC users to iOS completely.
Money gained by licensing/selling-off OSX is peanuts compared to having the largest share of a future consumer world based on iOS and Android.


Basically Tim Cook is dragging us, kicking and screaming, thinking he knows better, into his vision of the future, for the glory of the shareholders and his ego + payout.
AND it will happened - many will transition to iOS solely, eventually


But for pros/devs, for the next decade, who need a desktop workstation, their future lies in Windows and Linux (MS already working on running linux binaries in Windows)


As a disclaimer, I love OSX and the promise the Mac platform had while Jobs held the helm.
I need tools, not toys, to fucking crank out deliverables as fast as is reasonable.
It fucking sucks I have to move to Windows down the short road.
I refuse to buy another MBP or pickup a "pro" iMac.
 
Install "little snitch" on your mac and the you watch the traffic... it´s nuts, pretty much all applications seems to have some urgent need to call home or send files back and forth. And with the network filter on, the first couple of days you do nothing but accepting or declining the network attempts.

I need to buy new mac machines but I´m holding ut for this new release everone is waiting for. When is it, mid this month like everything else, or?
 
Thomas Koch said:
Could Red or Jim buy OS X off of Apple. They don't want it any more it seems. Then we could have some serious power. When I was at Intel, I tried to tell anyone that would listen to Buy OS X off of Apple as a way to keep the PC sales going.
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Maybe not Thomas.

They transitioned iOS to be osx based years back, and it is a money making business they are probably well and truely prepared to transition to ARM and use macosx still. This other money making sceheme of stures and other ingurmation schemes is distracting from sales. I stopped dead when no blurat, and the rest of the more advanced PC available features dissaoeared. It is now a nich product. If Ubuntu didn't like the certain things something like that could be the basis of killing Apple stone dead.
 
Björn Benckert said:
Install "little snitch" on your mac and the you watch the traffic... it´s nuts, pretty much all applications seems to have some urgent need to call home or send files back and forth. And with the network filter on, the first couple of days you do nothing but accepting or declining the network attempts.

I need to buy new mac machines but I´m holding ut for this new release everone is waiting for. When is it, mid this month like everything else, or?
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Yes, all of them do it and it's very annoying, especially when machine is not even connected and I have Avid Application Manager trying to connect home. So I tried disabling it from booting upon startup. Couldn't defeat it by any normal means. Contacted Avid, they basically said yes it's an issue they are trying to sort out.

And Adobe definitely has deep fingers into your system as well.
 
I was originally planning to run a NAC as a workstation off net years ago. Do manual updates or dome such thing. But it seems from what everybody is saying, that it is a near impossibility.

This is concerning, is a Windows or Linux the best option, as you can get most workflow software on windows.
 
Steve,

The default is to download updates.

The Image I have embedded below, can be seen by:
1) Open up MacOs App Store (click on 'A' shaped blue icon icon in MacOS).
2) Click in (top left of whole screen) 'App Store' -> Preferences

The options to Not-check-for-updates, or Not-Download-when-available should be uncheckable as follows:

automatic-download-macos-app-store.jpg


I believe this transparency is 'subtly' different from Microsoft - whose recurrent income is directly linked to the install cost of Windows.

AJ


Steve Sherrick said:
Yes, all of them do it and it's very annoying, especially when machine is not even connected and I have Avid Application Manager trying to connect home. So I tried disabling it from booting upon startup. Couldn't defeat it by any normal means. Contacted Avid, they basically said yes it's an issue they are trying to sort out.

And Adobe definitely has deep fingers into your system as well.
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Has anybody done a Hackindows? This is where you run authentic windows in a sandbox but the wundiws and all controls to it are passed it by the host operating system. Sort of maximum wibdows performance with minimum windows interference. The sandbox can be such that a complete separated version of windows is in each with just the required programs and drivers. The Linux privacy people do this sort of thing with linux.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Maybe not Thomas.

They transitioned iOS to be osx based years back
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OS X and iOS have shared kernel code and design from the first day of development until now. There was no transition. This was done because Apple only had so many developers to throw at the creation of a mobile device and because they knew that they needed to consolidate their desktop and mobile efforts to create a solid ecosystem that consumers would be familiar and comfortable with, which they now have.
 
I understand Steve pitted two internal teams against each other to see who could create the best mobile OS.

Regarding ARM interpreting x86 or for Apple to recompile 'byte-code' on Apple servers and deploy to the target device -> the later is the preferred option. Apple aready dynamically package what is distrubute to your device to minimize App space on each device. It would mean that - like Goole - Apple with be able to recompile code accord to target device chipsets.

It would also give Apple the chance to advance their (impressive) work on compilers.

Random thought .. if Apple are purging MacOs apps that have been 'abandoned' by deveopers, it could be they are proving their ARM compiler for MacOS is working seamlessly. Guessing that details of this (if it pans out) will be found out in June '17.

AJ
 
L. Langer said:
OS X and iOS have shared kernel code and design from the first day of development until now. There was no transition. This was done because Apple only had so many developers to throw at the creation of a mobile device and because they knew that they needed to consolidate their desktop and mobile efforts to create a solid ecosystem that consumers would be familiar and comfortable with, which they now have.
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I definitely read differently. I definitely read their move to Mac osx to give the iPod/phone a common basis, and better OS base. You could take it as a potential move to merge with ARM on Mac, people like to believe (I agree it is a likely idea, but Intel dragged Steve away from cell for some reason, and I think it was what has become Xi Phi, and those 1w x86's. None of which panned out in anywhere near the expected time scales. The one thing that did pan out was the low energy chip making process (I saw this initial technology around the 90's and knew it was going to be big, and then it dissapeared, obviously Intel must have got the license). The upcoming technologies is probably keeping them hanging around Intel now, at least just to see what comes. Intel is getting back to Arm apparently, and AMD and ARM manufacturers now gave access to low energy processes are going to hurt.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
I definitely read differently. I definitely read their move to Mac osx to give the iPod/phone a common basis, and better OS base.
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L. Langer is right. iOS has been Darwin-based, like OS X/macOS, since day one. Someone at Apple (Steve Jobs or an engineer, I forget exactly who) said so at MacWorld in 2007 when they first announced the iPhone. You can also read the specifics about the Darwin version used in each release of iOS here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS#Kernel
 
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