New MacBook Pro - 4K HDMI

[AnthonyParisey]

I just noticed that the HDMI output from the new MacBook Pro allows 3840X2160@30p and 4096X2160@24p,
don't get me wrong, it's never going te replace any dedicated AJA or BMD card but it can be useful sometimes...

 

[Jake Wilganowski]

Awesome.

 

[Matt Ryan]

Yep saw this after I ordered. Really excited about it. Now it's time to upgrade my 12 Core Mac Pro to a new Mac Pro 12 core!

 

[Shiblon Wixom]

I believe that the new Macbook Pro will only output 10 bit if you're in bootcamp windows, the Mac OS X is natively 8 bit. The Retina screen/monitors are 8 bit and 99/100% sRGB.

 

[Matt Ryan]

All consumer UHD displays are currently 8 bit, so it doesn't matter it's limited to 8 bit for now... I'd be curious to see if OSX Mavericks did any work to the 8 bit limit.

 

[mikeburton]

Nice find.

 

[L. Langer]

All consumer UHD displays are currently 8 bit, so it doesn't matter it's limited to 8 bit for now... I'd be curious to see if OSX Mavericks did any work to the 8 bit limit.

The UHD displays are almost entirely using 10-bit LED panels though so it's a good sign for the future that 8-bit panels are not the norm at that resolution.

 

[Christopher*Seguine]

Nope, macos 10.9 is limited to 8bit display devices.

The Sharp/Asus/Dell 4k monitor is 10bit and supports 30bit color using a quadro/firepro under windows, but not on macos.

The Sony VPL-vw1100es/VW600es are also 10bit

All consumer UHD displays are currently 8 bit, so it doesn't matter it's limited to 8 bit for now... I'd be curious to see if OSX Mavericks did any work to the 8 bit limit.

I was waiting for the macbook pro refresh, but this update is not so interesting, gpu is no better than last version, was hoping for firepro graphics.
I think I'll go with the XPS 15 now, lighter, better resolution screen, cheaper. Sad days when a dell is cooler than an apple.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Only 16GB RAM... FAIL.

 

[Sergio Perez]

But with Thunderbolt 2! And with the PCIE SSD... Am really, really thinking hard about this... I've been working with my Retina in almost everything to be honest... How much faster is this compared to an old generation top of the line Retina?

EDIT- How's the 750M compared to the 650M of the current model? Will we see much improvement in Redcine X?? Jeff??

 

[Brad Allen]

Only 16GB RAM... FAIL.

+1 on this. I really wish there was a decent laptop that had the profile of a Macbook Pro but with 32gb of RAM.

 

[Jimmy Grewal]

I just noticed that the HDMI output from the new MacBook Pro allows 3840X2160@30p and 4096X2160@24p,
don't get me wrong, it's never going te replace any dedicated AJA or BMD card but it can be useful sometimes...

OS X 10.9 Mavericks also enables 4K/UHD output over HDMI from the original 15" MacBook Pro retina.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

The new Haswell CPU offers little to no gain in performance, it is predominantly a die-shrink and it consumes less power, that is the main advantage. It has better integrated graphics (Intel Iris) vs. the old HD 4000. They're still using the same screen. Same SSD flash storage. Same design.

So if you already have the "old" top of the line retina, you're not gaining anything with an upgrade, except for the new GPU. The 750M is a nice GPU upgrade, but hardly worth swapping out an old retina MBP for a new one.

The 16GB is simply too little RAM for serious work these days, even though the system can indeed handle some hefty tasks. I have a top of the line retina from a year ago and I would have upgraded to the new one in a heartbeat had I been able to order with 32GB RAM or more.

Thunderbolt 2 is nice too, but this system will be halfway out of its life-cycle before we see any serious availability of Thunderbolt 2 peripherals. So if you don't have a retina MBP and you were thinking of buying, now is a good time. If you already have one and were hoping to upgrade, don't, wait and see what the next round brings.

 

[L. Langer]

+1 on this. I really wish there was a decent laptop that had the profile of a Macbook Pro but with 32gb of RAM.

What's your budget?

 

[Justin Quinn]

The new Haswell CPU offers little to no gain in performance, it is predominantly a die-shrink and it consumes less power, that is the main advantage. It has better integrated graphics (Intel Iris) vs. the old HD 4000. They're still using the same screen. Same SSD flash storage.

I'm confused...

I read on Apple.com that the new flash storage is PCIE based and therefore much faster than the Sata based SSD storage from the previous model, up to 60% is what they claim. Or did I miss something?

*Edit*
"It’s all thanks to the new PCle-based flash storage with even faster read and write performance — up to 60 percent faster than the previous-generation MacBook Pro."

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features-retina/

 

[Matt Gottshalk]

Only 16GB RAM... FAIL.

Indeed, and if it is like the MBP architecture, the hard drives and ram are soldered onto the motherboard.

Do not want.

 

[Tehben Dean]

I'm curious with the ultra fast SSD speeds how much if any does that compensate for the small amount of ram? Since the HD cache will now be pretty fast... (I don't know what I'm talking about BTW)

 

[Sergio Perez]

The new Haswell CPU offers little to no gain in performance, it is predominantly a die-shrink and it consumes less power, that is the main advantage. It has better integrated graphics (Intel Iris) vs. the old HD 4000. They're still using the same screen. Same SSD flash storage. Same design.

So if you already have the "old" top of the line retina, you're not gaining anything with an upgrade, except for the new GPU. The 750M is a nice GPU upgrade, but hardly worth swapping out an old retina MBP for a new one.

The 16GB is simply too little RAM for serious work these days, even though the system can indeed handle some hefty tasks. I have a top of the line retina from a year ago and I would have upgraded to the new one in a heartbeat had I been able to order with 32GB RAM or more.

Thunderbolt 2 is nice too, but this system will be halfway out of its life-cycle before we see any serious availability of Thunderbolt 2 peripherals. So if you don't have a retina MBP and you were thinking of buying, now is a good time. If you already have one and were hoping to upgrade, don't, wait and see what the next round brings.

Thanks Jeff, that's what we needed to know. I read the same as Justyn and thought the new internal SSD's were faster? But then again, would this be the bottleneck of our 4K Prores workflows? i know that r3d full res is out of the question due to mobile processor/gpu limitations...

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm confused...

I read on Apple.com that the new flash storage is PCIE based and therefore much faster than the Sata based SSD storage from the previous model, up to 60% is what they claim. Or did I miss something?

The only thing you're missing is that last year's retina model already had this. They haven't changed the technical description, including what you have quoted, in over a year. The new retina MBP is the exact same system, same logic board, same PCIe attached flash storage. Upgraded GPU, upgraded Haswell CPU. The SATA based storage of the "previous model" refers to what's in the previous non-retina system that they still sell.

Last year's retina MBP's PCIe storage clocks in at over 725MB/s read, 380MB/s write. Updated model should be about the same as it's using the same Samsung flash controller, as far as I'm aware. They have upgraded the top capacity from 768GB to 1TB.

 

[Steve Sherrick]

Only 16GB RAM... FAIL.

I agree, this is disappointing. What is the limiting factor Jeff? Is it a technical barrier or some other reason? To me, this would be the perfect performance laptop if it was capable of supporting 32GB of RAM.