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New Mac Pro

Jeff Kilgroe said:
Not sure how close it is, but my Mac Pro order status has changed from "Available to ship: January" to "Processing."
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I think that as your nMP order gets closer, so do the "orders" of many others...

Thank you very much

Fury
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Not sure how close it is, but my Mac Pro order status has changed from "Available to ship: January" to "Processing."
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Im sure most of us (specially me) are rooting for you to get yours asap.

Need your input and you are the best at filtering information :)
 
Man this thing has Star Wars all over it ;)

Anyone else see that?
 
Does anyone know the Db level increase of a 8 or 12 new macpro? I like to do the sound mixing and final cuts together in the post cinema room, and the sound level out of my current 16 core system is just too high (and i dont need all 2*8 cores for doing final mixing). Would also be nice to know the db level of the 12 cores not in turbo mode, vs 12 core in turbo mode(my assumption is there will be a large sound increase when the cores go turbo).
 
PatrickFaith said:
Does anyone know the Db level increase of a 8 or 12 new macpro? I like to do the sound mixing and final cuts together in the post cinema room, and the sound level out of my current 16 core system is just too high (and i dont need all 2*8 cores for doing final mixing). Would also be nice to know the db level of the 12 cores not in turbo mode, vs 12 core in turbo mode(my assumption is there will be a large sound increase when the cores go turbo).
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"Instead of the wind-tunnel-like noise levels you’d sometimes hear with previous Mac Pro models, the 2013 Mac Pro’s fan is generally very quiet. In fact, in normal use, it’s nearly silent: If you put your ear next to the vent on the top, you hear only a quiet hum. (Apple told us the computer produces only about 12dB of noise at idle, and roughly 17dB under load.) In my quiet office, I couldn’t hear the Mac Pro’s fan over the noise of my 2010 iMac, even when live-rendering some effects on 4K video in Final Cut Pro X. That’s not to say you’ll never hear the fan, but you should expect a much quieter experience than with previous models. "

http://www.macworld.com/article/208...ew-apples-new-mac-pro-really-is-for-pros.html
 
Neil Cronin said:
"Instead of the wind-tunnel-like noise levels you’d sometimes hear with previous Mac Pro models, the 2013 Mac Pro’s fan is generally very quiet. In fact, in normal use, it’s nearly silent: If you put your ear next to the vent on the top, you hear only a quiet hum. (Apple told us the computer produces only about 12dB of noise at idle, and roughly 17dB under load.) In my quiet office, I couldn’t hear the Mac Pro’s fan over the noise of my 2010 iMac, even when live-rendering some effects on 4K video in Final Cut Pro X. That’s not to say you’ll never hear the fan, but you should expect a much quieter experience than with previous models. "

http://www.macworld.com/article/208...ew-apples-new-mac-pro-really-is-for-pros.html
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Hey Neil ... thanks ... looks like your another bay area guy ... we really need to get a reduser meeting at apple or drag them out to one of our meetings, would be fun.
 
So now that we know how upgradable the nMP is, is it advisable to get the base model and upgrade from there? I'm looking at an 8k configuration at the moment.
 
So, after the iFixit teardown, and Anandtechs review, the PCIe lane Layout is finally settled: the two GPUs do get each x16 lanes, so the TB2 controllers must share the remaining x8 PCIe lanes between them. Apple did the best they could, and put the 3 controllers on a PCIe switch, so they at least get each x4 lanes of PCIe 2.0.

This means each port can at best do 16 Gbit/sec (the limit of the PCIe 2.0 connection of the controller), and only if you use at most three of the ports at once, all of them on different controllers. Anything more than that, and you run into the bottleneck of the TB2 Controllers, and if you didn't, then you would be limited by the uplink to the CPU, i.e. x8 PCIe, or about 60 Gbps.

Of course, any displays attached cut into that (outgoing) bandwidth - any 4k 60p display attached to a TB2 port means only 4 Gbps available to other devices downstream.

All in all, people will need to think carefully about how they want to populate the TB2 ports, in order to avoid some potentially nasty surprises.
 
I ultimately took that into consideration and instead of a display with MORE pixels (DELL 4Ks) decided to go with BETTER pixels in a pair of two EIZO CG277 displays. Plus it'll be less a headache to drive them.
 
Isaac Marchionna said:
I ultimately took that into consideration and instead of a display with MORE pixels (DELL 4Ks) decided to go with BETTER pixels in a pair of two EIZO CG277 displays. Plus it'll be less a headache to drive them.
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I was hoping someone would test a Dell 4K display.

We have a single EIZO CG277 to test at least.

Were on the fence with the Sharp option.

Anyone have any experience with the Apple Sharp offering?
 
Thanks for the report Andrei, even though its "harshing" my nMP lust a bit.

I remain hopeful that the internal flash storage will provide a place to park files that can really benefit from fast access. I'm also feeling OK about the throughput of a RAID that gets it's own port and, in theory, can move up to 2GB/s over that PCIe 2.0 x4 pipe. If the RAID and the TB2 interface can do 70% of theoretical all day long that's 1.4GB/s which would support 4K 10bit DPX 24fps real time playout. At least in my world, that's the highest data rate threshold I have to support.

Only leaving 8 lanes available for I/O has obvious implications, but let's consider the flip side. Let's say that Apple's engineers have significantly improved the ability of their system architecture to leverage GPU resources, those 32 lanes assigned to the two graphics boards might facilitate a defacto GPGPU topology on neighboring silicon. For some tasks, GPGPUs can be a powerhouse, speed accomplished via leverage rather than brute force, but speed just the same.

I accept that for some tasks/software lots of cores and GPUs is the right answer. That said, its my contention that with optimized software code the nMP will rip through some pretty heavy duty tasks like a hot knife through butter.

Cheers - #19
 
Eric Santiago said:
Man this thing has Star Wars all over it ;)

Anyone else see that?
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Blair, I am sure that for quite a few uses, the Mac Pro architecture is a decent enough compromise. 1.4 GBps is at the practical limit of what TB2 can achieve, so it should work. Also, the bandwidths mentioned are directional, so if you have components that have asymmetrical transfers - one mostly reading, and one mostly writing at the same time- you can go above the mentioned total bandwidths.

I am more worried about future proofness - as soon as you Look at things like 40 GbE or 12 G SAS or Infiniband or even the Redrocket X for that matter, the choices Apple made no longer seem all that great, IMO...
 
Eric Santiago said:
I was hoping someone would test a Dell 4K display.

We have a single EIZO CG277 to test at least.

Were on the fence with the Sharp option.

Anyone have any experience with the Apple Sharp offering?
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The Sharp or Asus 32-inch display does 4K @ 60hz over DP with the new MacPro. Do not consider ANY other display as those are the only ones CONFIRMED as compatible with the new MacPro as it is at this time, based on testing done this month. In fact, you probably just shouldn't bother with a 4K display until next year if you are buying into the MacPro right now. All other 4K displays don't seem to work properly at all with the new MacPro at this time - the new 32-inch Dell might but the smaller Dell 4K definitely does not - though they might work fine with the previous MacPro if current tech graphics cards and OSX software are used.
 
Eric Santiago said:
I was hoping someone would test a Dell 4K display.

We have a single EIZO CG277 to test at least.

Were on the fence with the Sharp option.

Anyone have any experience with the Apple Sharp offering?
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Do you have the 277 already? How is it? I considered the 276 but even eizo told me to wait for the 277 as they said it was better all around. Which to me was shocking to have a company actually tell me to wait on a purchase.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Not sure how close it is, but my Mac Pro order status has changed from "Available to ship: January" to "Processing."
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And in today's news, my status has changed from "Processing" back to "Available to ship: January"…. WTF?
 
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