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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New Mac Pro Announced at WWDC! - It's OFFICIAL!

The only other thing I'd like to add (and I specifically looked this up as soon as I saw the Benchmark numbers pop up) is that GeekBench doesn't really account for GPU. Anything that helps the CPU achieve better performance (more/faster RAM, larger caches, faster pipelines, better CPU, etc.) are all factored in. But with so many programs (especially those that people like us are likely to use) moving computation over to GPU, there is missing comparability in these numbers.
 
I'm still hoping for a dual cpu model.

My ultimate fantasy would be that they release an updated version of the current model side by side with this new one. Heck, they kept the old MacBooks around when the retina launched.
 
Ouch, I though the 12 core were two six cores at a high clock... I thought the new Mac Pro was perfect, but single CPU is not good... Apple should find a way to fit two CPU's in there for those willing to pay extra...
 
Jon MIchael Puntervold said:
Ouch, I though the 12 core were two six cores at a high clock... I thought the new Mac Pro was perfect, but single CPU is not good... Apple should find a way to fit two CPU's in there for those willing to pay extra...
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Why do you assume that a 5 year old multi CPU will perform better than the latest CPU... or do I misunderstand?
 
My god, are people actually considering this platform after seeing the announce? Non-expandable, gpu-limited, single CPU for a pro box? Brand love runs deep apparently. Apple fans never cease to amaze me. Form over function.
 
Tim Morten said:
My god, are people actually considering this platform after seeing the announce? Non-expandable, gpu-limited, single CPU for a pro box? Brand love runs deep apparently. Apple fans never cease to amaze me. Form over function.
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For every post like yours, there is a Mac Fan Boy born...

LOL!
 
Personally I am still on the fence until its certain what is upgradable and what isn't in the machine, and the price point. Its a very valid criticism that having no PCI slots and potentially being stuck on the same GPU's gives this machine less potential when it comes to tinkering with it. I like tinkering with things... Part of the reason people buy workstations is to tinker, update, swap out parts. Its more then just trying to keep your machine going, its like a car, some people like customizing their cars here and there.
 
You should definitely be in a PC then.

Brian Merlen said:
Personally I am still on the fence until its certain what is upgradable and what isn't in the machine, and the price point. Its a very valid criticism that having no PCI slots and potentially being stuck on the same GPU's gives this machine less potential when it comes to tinkering with it. I like tinkering with things... Part of the reason people buy workstations is to tinker, update, swap out parts. Its more then just trying to keep your machine going, its like a car, some people like customizing their cars here and there.
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You all know if they were taking limited quantity Pre-orders, you'd place a deposit today!
 
michael zaletel said:
You all know if they were taking limited quantity Pre-orders, you'd place a deposit today!
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I personally wouldnt.

I dont touch first gen workstations.

However the company I work for might since its in our future budget.

If this is the starting point Apple is going with, Im looking forward to the next gens ;)
 
I think the main reason for having only one CPU is because of Thunderbolt. Chipsets currently don't allow for Thunderbolt and dual CPU's at the same time and Apple clearly sees Thunderbolt as the future since they've gone the single-CPU/Thunderbolt route. If Intel releases chipsets that allow Thunderbolt with dual CPU's I'm sure we'll see motherboards with that feature fairly quickly, but who knows how long that will be. The main reason I see to have multiple CPU's right now is to get more PCIe lanes. It would be nice if there was a way to get a lot more PCIe lanes other than the CPU.

I think these days the GPU is more important than the CPU anyway, at least for video and graphics (and other types of apps if developers start taking advantage of the GPUs). CPU tech advancements seem fairly stagnant over the past few years with marginal improvement in performance, which is why everyone wants more cores and dual CPU's, whereas GPU, SSD storage, RAM, and bus advancements are much greater. Also keep in mind most apps won't take advantage of the full 12-core capability of a single CPU or all cores in dual CPU configs.

And that Geekbench test that was posted doesn't give any indication of performance based on GPU, let alone the fact that the computer is a prototype and the OS is beta so there are bound to be performance problems until various things are fixed and optimizations made.
 
Mike Halper said:
I think the main reason for having only one CPU is because or Thunderbolt. Chipsets currently don't allow for Thunderbolt and dual CPU's at the same time and Apple clearly sees Thunderbolt as the future since they've gone the single-CPU/Thunderbolt route. If Intel releases chipsets that allow Thunderbolt with dual CPU's I'm sure we'll see motherboards with that feature fairly quickly, but who knows how long that will be.
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Before the new Mac Pro annoucment Xeon and Thunderbolt did not exist at all. How do you know that the upcoming dual CPU chipsets won't support TB?
 
Scott Crawley said:
You should definitely be in a PC then.
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But the whole point of the G5/former Mac Pro was for people like me. Who either tinker for fun, or to extend the usefulness of the machine by trying to keep it somewhat contemporary. It was the one machine that allowed me to play around with the specs on my own time. I feel like the new Mac Pro is a let down because of the sheer fact it doesn't look like its going to allow people like me to do what we have always done. I use PC's all the time, but only when a production makes me. I don't like their crashing out all the time, and I am talking high end xeons here. I have used Windows for much of my life, and was an anti Mac guy, until I actually tried Mac and everything worked flawlessly so often versus my many years of PC frustration. I don't really want to go back, and I am not happy about this situation.
 
Jon MIchael Puntervold said:
Before the new Mac Pro annoucment Xeon and Thunderbolt did not exist at all. How do you know that the upcoming dual CPU chipsets won't support TB?
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That's why I used the words "I think" and "currently", and then said "If Intel releases chipsets...." Intel has also not said anything like "oh by the way, our new Xeon CPU chipsets and Thunderbolt 2 chipsets now allow for dual processor configs with Thunderbolt 2". You'd think they'd include that kind of information if it was possible.
 
Mike Halper said:
That's why I used the words "I think" and "currently", and then said "If Intel releases chipsets...." Intel has also not said anything like "oh by the way, our new Xeon CPU chipsets and Thunderbolt 2 chipsets now allow for dual processor configs with Thunderbolt 2". You'd think they'd include that kind of information if it was possible.
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I really struggle to grasp your logic. As far as I know the most information we have about next-gen Xeon came from the Apple WWDC event.
 
Sure the Mac Pro leaves users the option to upgrade or add components to boost performance, but all within a very well controlled environment, as you know. It isn't so much about tinkering at all. The options are few. That is why it doesn't crash so much. That is how Apple has been able to release a new version of the OS every year. You can't really have extensive customization, bulletproof and up to date in the same system. It's a pick two situation.

So why the concern? Within 12 months of release the other parts of the ecosystem will be available and you should be able to tinker as much, if not more than you can now. That is my expectation FWIW

Brian Merlen said:
But the whole point of the G5/former Mac Pro was for people like me. Who either tinker for fun, or to extend the usefulness of the machine by trying to keep it somewhat contemporary. It was the one machine that allowed me to play around with the specs on my own time. I feel like the new Mac Pro is a let down because of the sheer fact it doesn't look like its going to allow people like me to do what we have always done. I use PC's all the time, but only when a production makes me. I don't like their crashing out all the time, and I am talking high end xeons here. I have used Windows for much of my life, and was an anti Mac guy, until I actually tried Mac and everything worked flawlessly so often versus my many years of PC frustration. I don't really want to go back, and I am not happy about this situation.
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Of course, but if the new single CPU system is substantially faster than the current multi core, then what is the issue? Whether it is by design or not this looks like the incremental upgrade at work. The next single CPU will outpace the last system, and when they are no longer able to keep up the pace of improvements they will no doubt return to multi core systems. That is what history tells me to expect, at any rate.

Jon MIchael Puntervold said:
Dual CPU's are the luxury of almost doubleing the performance...
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