New Canon CN-E Primes?

[Michael Lindsay]

TLS also change the CN-E to PL...

 

[David W. Jones]

You are buying a Sony F65, but don't have cash for a PL conversion?

You know I have never liked an answer like this. ^

The mount conversion is not user swappable. In my little world spending $11K to convert these lenses to PL mount is a bad business decision when I can purchase lenses already available with swappable mounts for the same price, and put that $11K elsewhere. For someone else it may be the correct choice.

Hell, That $11K would buy a set of Sony CineAlta lenses for dedicated PL mount shooting, a Cooke 18-100 zoom, new head/sticks, or a new computer. Lots of places $11K would fair better in my business.

All the best!

Dave

 

[BRANDON JAMESON]

I saw a deal on Canon CN-E primes with a set of 3 for around $10900, which is extremely low, so I'm wondering if there's something new coming which pushed the prices on these down? Don't want to jump into it if there's something else that's coming?

Where?

B&H still has the 3 lens set for 12, 720 as do their competitors.

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Why PL mount? The EF mount has proven plenty strong even with RED. I really don't understand the obsession with PL mount. (snip)

As a general rule, projects that use PL lensing are the same ones that pay my full day rate - hence my bias. That said, what I'm after is a re-working of the 70-200 2.8L with robust materials and mechanical precision suitable for motion shooting. The optical formula is a proven winner. With on board motors for zoom and focus that can be controlled via Optitron2/FoolControl/SideKick in a pro level package - metal vs plastic, well sealed from dust/moisture, etc - in either EF or PL would rock hard.

Cheers - #19

 

[Jacek Zakowicz]

There you go Blair- we need to root out all prejudice ;-)
Actually I think that the canon lenses have all the physical/hardware needed.. All they need now is lens internal "cine " software and we are set...
Maybe some day....

 

[Christoffer Glans]

You know I have never liked an answer like this. ^

Not trying to be offensive, I was just surprised that you go for an F65, which is a higher cost camera system than Red, while looking at glass in the midrange. Why not instead go with an Epic and get into "real" cine glass instead? I know you can get the CineAltas for that price, but they don't cover higher than s35 which will be a sought after requirement in the future. But it sounds more like you should go with Schneiders or the new Celere HS. Point wasn't to get Duclos to do it, but more that it can be done because Duclos can do it. With a little look-around you might be able to convert the CN-Es to PL without it costing that much, which is my plan.

Where?

B&H still has the 3 lens set for 12, 720 as do their competitors.

I'm gonna see that I get the deal first, right now I got word that the price was $10485 excluding Swedish VAT for four lenses 24, 35, 50 and 85.
Thought it was a typo, but it seems to be real, right now I'm waiting for my confirm on the deal. Seems like an unreal price for this set

 

[Samir Patel]

well cvp.com has a 3 lens set for $10431 USD but I would suspect to get dinged duty charges as soon as it is delivered. I remember when I purchased a follow focus from the UK shipped to US I had to actually pay the UPS guy when he delivered a duty fee. 4 lenses would be great for that price. But I suspect this is an overseas deal.

 

[Phil Holland]

As a general rule, projects that use PL lensing are the same ones that pay my full day rate - hence my bias. That said, what I'm after is a re-working of the 70-200 2.8L with robust materials and mechanical precision suitable for motion shooting. The optical formula is a proven winner. With on board motors for zoom and focus that can be controlled via Optitron2/FoolControl/SideKick in a pro level package - metal vs plastic, well sealed from dust/moisture, etc - in either EF or PL would rock hard.

Cheers - #19

You won't have to wait too much longer for exactly what you are looking for. And I'm really excited for it too, though I'm a Compact Zoom owner and shooter.

Side note and on the topic. I use PL and EF glass. Both have strengths and weaknesses as well as the individual features of the lenses themselves. Though more recently there's been some rather massive developments for both mounts from an image quality perspective. The hard trick comes down to Canon's auto focus technology, which apparently needs to be licensed and isn't exactly cheap. That's the #1 reason Zeiss for instance have not made EF auto focus lenses at this point.

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

To take this a step further, for many years a "proper" cine lens had great mechanics and composite gears (Delrin, IIRC) for consistent results with external motors, typically mounted on arms/brackets affixed to the iris rods. That's one way to get it done, but in 2015 it's not the only way.

Small, precise, matched, servo motors inside the lens housing offer a clean, sealed FIZ solution that reduces the amount of "gack" on the rig nicely. It seems like Canon has just the right portfolio to make electronically controlled lenses for pro shooters that offer precise control, even at slow speeds.

Cheers - #19

 

[Mark Andersen]

I think In general the idea of hi tech FIZ control through the built in motors on some future, cool, streamlined cine lens has merit, no more gears and motors, and cables, and such. It could be done and possibly done well in the right technicians hands. I predict we will see this and soon. And it doesn't necessarily have to work only on cameras like Epics and Weapons etc. communication could be integrated into the lens and this system could work anywhere.

 

[Jacek Zakowicz]

you guys crack me up ;-)

 

[Christoffer Glans]

I think In general the idea of hi tech FIZ control through the built in motors on some future, cool, streamlined cine lens has merit, no more gears and motors, and cables, and such. It could be done and possibly done well in the right technicians hands. I predict we will see this and soon. And it doesn't necessarily have to work only on cameras like Epics and Weapons etc. communication could be integrated into the lens and this system could work anywhere.

It's not a question if, but when...

Right now you can do it easily with still lenses, but the problem is that two factors need to come into play; the lens manufacturer need to actually make internal lens focus motors made directly for cine work, not still photography and second, the actual lens must be a great cine lens. I get if some small company comes out with this idea, but most of them don't have great glass or, even if I hate it, a name for themselves.

I'm quite certain that there will be some news from some big cinematographer about a "revolutionary" lens with internal motors sometime when it's been around for some time. The industry doesn't take notice or care before some big production names use some type of new gear. It's gonna make it's big break whenever Zeiss, Leica, Cooke or other big brands make such a lens. It will however, probably cost a fortune.

So while people dream about this tech and realize they won't afford it, I will be quite happy with my manual lenses, since I know it's great glass.

 

[David W. Jones]

Not trying to be offensive, I was just surprised that you go for an F65, which is a higher cost camera system than Red, while looking at glass in the midrange. Why not instead go with an Epic and get into "real" cine glass instead? I know you can get the CineAltas for that price, but they don't cover higher than s35 which will be a sought after requirement in the future. But it sounds more like you should go with Schneiders or the new Celere HS. Point wasn't to get Duclos to do it, but more that it can be done because Duclos can do it. With a little look-around you might be able to convert the CN-Es to PL without it costing that much, which is my plan.

I sold the Epic some months back, and have been shooting with Alexa and F65 rentals. I told myself no more expensive cameras, but I really need something in-house a little better than what I have at the moment. As far as the CineAlta's go, I was just using them as an example of what could be purchased with the savings from not having to change the mounts on the Canon's.

I will investigate in-house lens options a little further down the road. As a former lens whore sometimes it's hard to restrain myself. At one point I had 75 lenses in-house. :001_tt1:

 

[Billy Jim]

As a general rule, projects that use PL lensing are the same ones that pay my full day rate - hence my bias. That said, what I'm after is a re-working of the 70-200 2.8L with robust materials and mechanical precision suitable for motion shooting. The optical formula is a proven winner. With on board motors for zoom and focus that can be controlled via Optitron2/FoolControl/SideKick in a pro level package - metal vs plastic, well sealed from dust/moisture, etc - in either EF or PL would rock hard.

You won't have to wait too much longer for exactly what you are looking for. And I'm really excited for it too, though I'm a Compact Zoom owner and shooter.

Side note and on the topic. I use PL and EF glass. Both have strengths and weaknesses as well as the individual features of the lenses themselves. Though more recently there's been some rather massive developments for both mounts from an image quality perspective. The hard trick comes down to Canon's auto focus technology, which apparently needs to be licensed and isn't exactly cheap. That's the #1 reason Zeiss for instance have not made EF auto focus lenses at this point.

Is Canon coming out with vIII of 70-200mm 2.8 EF?
Any more details?