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New Arri/Zeiss 2xMaster Anamorphics

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News from IBC for anamorphic shooters: New fast T1.9 2X anamorphics.

From the press release:

These ground-breaking lenses are the first anamorphic glass designed from scratch for modern digital cameras; however, they perform beautifully with analog film cameras as well. Seven high performance anamorphic primes (35 mm, 40 mm, 50 mm, 60 mm, 75 mm, 100 mm and 135 mm) comprise the lineup. The lenses are fast and compact, capable of shooting at T1.9, and most have a front diameter of 95 mm. The maximum lens weight is below 3 kg.

The revolutionary optical technology features a newly developed iris with 15 aperture blades, while the near-telecentric optical design reduces color fringing and shading at the image corners. Virtually no image breathing and no anamorphic mumps (fat face effect) are experienced. A completely new focusing mechanism overcomes time-consuming mechanical readjustments on set; state-of-the-art lens barrels feature improved dust and water protection.
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These will cover the new Dragon sensor.

* I should say cover in the vertical axis with room to spare. X axis I have no idea yet.
 
Had been looking at their progress on this, and we'll see how they do, for now the best remains the Hawk V-Lites x2.

Been very similar to the MP's in design and weight, they could be promising...


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But the final product should be smaller then the prototypes shown above.

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These are interesting - but are IMO, a new style of anamorphic lens.

They're not going to look like Panavision (or Lomo etc), but, being mid lens anamorphics, more like Hawks (ie they have mid lens anamorphic elements).

So, no flaring (unless you use a filter) and a less pronounced bokeh (not quite as ovular).

Very much a new 'style' of anamorphic lens - producing a different image to the classic Ana look. But with new glass & modern optical technology, they could be really cool :)
 
Andy White said:
So, no flaring (unless you use a filter) and a less pronounced bokeh (not quite as ovular).
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from the press release:

"they have lost none of desirable visual elements that have made the anamorphic look so enchanting and popular for the last 60 years. Among these are the unique blue streak lines, reflections and flares produced by anamorphic lenses, which are highly valued by cinematographers for their artistic effect and have been optimized in the Master Anamorphic series."

They'll be different from Panavision anamorphics for sure, but personally I just can't wait to put my hands on these.
(disclaimer: I'm absolutely, positively obsessed with anamorphic)
 
Francesco Bonomo said:
from the press release:

"they have lost none of desirable visual elements that have made the anamorphic look so enchanting and popular for the last 60 years. Among these are the unique blue streak lines, reflections and flares produced by anamorphic lenses, which are highly valued by cinematographers for their artistic effect and have been optimized in the Master Anamorphic series."

They'll be different from Panavision anamorphics for sure, but personally I just can't wait to put my hands on these.
(disclaimer: I'm absolutely, positively obsessed with anamorphic)
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Do you have a link to the press release?

At NAB, they didn't flare (by all reports - only going by comments on the web) and bokeh wasn't ovular (rather donut). If they are now flaring/streaking and doing 'front' anamorphic style effects, maybe they've added filters to the front - as these are mid lens anamorphics.... here's one link I remember http://matthewduclos.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/zeiss-goes-anamorphic/ (comment at the bottom of the replies).

I'm happy to find out otherwise - it'll be good to have new/fast Ana's.
 
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Well - looks like they've changed a bit since NAB - maybe everyone stated telling them that streaks, flare and bokeh is part of the fun :)

So, looks like we have a very interesting new Anamorphic contender on the block... and I'm happy to wrong :laugh:

Maybe time to sell the Lomo's (LOL).

Now... wonder if we could pressure them to make a zoom...
 
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Matthew Mann said:
Apparently they're designed to fit the Alexa Studio's 4:3 sensor for ANA. Any idea if there will be a crop factor on the Epic at 5K ANA?
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The Alexa Studo's 2x Anamorphic Mode covers: 21.30 x 17.82 mm (2582 x 2160)

Red's 5k Ana covers 17.83mm x 14.61mm (3296 x 2700), which is about a 1.2x crop factor relative to Alexa's 2x mode - yet yields more resolution.

Red Dragon's 6k Ana will likely be around 19.29mm x 15.8mm (3860 x 3160), which will be around a 1.12x crop (very subtle) and yields more resolution still. But we don't "know" if these are the actual numbers for sure yet.
 
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For me that Dragon crop factor is really not a huge deal in comparison. The Alexa isn't a "true" anamorphic frame size either fyi it's got about a 1.18x crop factor relative to full aperture Super 35mm.

Dragon for me is a very interesting sensor size with tons of potential. I think it's an even more interesting sensor size for those who want to shoot 5k rather than 6k.

Moving forward in sensor sizes if Red decided to go up to 3:2-ish or something similar to VistaVision I think the new Dragon sensor's pixel density is the right way to go. A FF35 or VV sensor based on Dragon would come out to about a 7.2k image. Which is actually a ton of data, but oddly the current Epic could handle respectable frame rates with a sensor like that. Just keep in mind that it would be around 48 minutes at 5:1 in theory on a 512 SSD. Maybe we'll see a Dragon "Wide" at the end of the year next year. Who knows. That extra sensor size would add significantly to production costs though. If the pixel density increases again with better sensitivity we might even see a 9k sensor out of it, but that wouldn't be Dragon.

Dragon is a smart move in terms of technology, production cost, and sensor size.
 
Phil Holland said:
For me that Dragon crop factor is really not a huge deal in comparison. The Alexa isn't a "true" anamorphic frame size either fyi it's got about a 1.18x crop factor relative to full aperture Super 35mm.
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4-perf 35mm anamorphic doesn't use the Super-35 frame anyway -- the area of the neg/print used for the image is 21.30 × 18.2 mm, so the Alexa 4:3 area of 21.30 x 17.82 mm is more or less the same. I agree that the anamorphic area of the Dragon sensor would be close enough too for all practical purposes, and it's not that hard to deal with on the Epic MX sensor either unless you are into really wide-angle anamorphic shots.
 
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