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Netflix 4K requirements

Sidney L. Plaut said:
Peter,
i think the netflix vs alexa started before alexa could do internal 4k (which ever way they arrive at that).
im sure if it looks good and a 4k screen they will accept it. they dont care if it says alexa,sony,red...

if not then the argument about a 4k iphone can come into play.

numbers are just numbers. its how it looks that matters. - at least ro me:)
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By all accounts Netflix doesn't accept "upconverted UHD", which I believe is why Arri cameras even now/today are still not accepted on Netflix productions.
 
Nick Morrison said:
By all accounts Netflix doesn't accept "upconverted UHD", which I believe is why Arri cameras even now/today are still not accepted on Netflix productions.
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I would bet they would have no problem with Alexa 65.
 
Phil is correct. Netflix can accept purchased content that is up-rezzed. But what they finance and produce whether for TV or theatrical release must be true 4K or higher.
Yes film will work but no one would allow that on this budget. Ari Alexa 65 would work but that ain't gonna happen so I hopefully can shoot Dragon or Weapon.

I would far prefer that to Sony F55, 65, or Varicam......

And I understand what Mark said about the DP should pick the equipment ..... Funny what has changed. But yes I agree, I don't remember directors weighing in on lenses or film stocks. Good reminder Mark..... Thanks
 
Peter, if you could get your hands on a couple of Weapons, do you think that could influence the director? Its the latest and greatest, I would think that has some appeal.

No matter what camera you end up using on the show, Good Luck with it. I'll be looking forward to seeing it.

Adam
 
Phil Holland said:
Last I heard, Bloodlines was the last "Alexa allowed" production if I'm not mistaken, great show btw. I don't believe they are accepting upressed Amira or Alexa at this point.

If it was me I would be shooting 6K-5K on Dragon. If the show is a UHD delivery, likely 5.5K or 5K HD using Super 35mm lenses.

They will accept RED Epic/Scarlet Dragon, RED Weapon Dragon, Sony F55 and F65, and Varicam 35 (I think).
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I've heard that Bloodline was shot on Sony F55, not Alexa.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3520702/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec

I've not heard of any Netflix productions which have been shot on Arris cameras.
Any camera with acquisition above UHD is accepted from what I understand. I have not heard any specs on other aspects of a cameras capabilities, like DR and such, so resolution is the only thing they have strict rules for.
 
Good video, that should answer some questions.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
I've heard that Bloodline was shot on Sony F55, not Alexa.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3520702/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec

I've not heard of any Netflix productions which have been shot on Arris cameras.
Any camera with acquisition above UHD is accepted from what I understand. I have not heard any specs on other aspects of a cameras capabilities, like DR and such, so resolution is the only thing they have strict rules for.
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You would be correct. Though I could have sworn I saw somewhere......

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3993250/technical

Pretty sure it "mostly" F55 either way. Didn't work on this one, so I don't have a clue outside of whatever that is above.
 
I applaud Netflix for their visionary position and being willing to stand up to the status quo. Here's my simple question: if one is shooting 6:5 anamorphic on an EPIC DRAGON, is the resolution counted as 7584x3160 (desqueezed) or 3792x3160 (RAW)? And if the latter, does that meet the 4K requirement of UHD, or miss it because 3792 is less than 3840 (and definitely less than 4096)?
 
Michael Tiemann said:
I applaud Netflix for their visionary position and being willing to stand up to the status quo. Here's my simple question: if one is shooting 6:5 anamorphic on an EPIC DRAGON, is the resolution counted as 7584x3160 (desqueezed) or 3792x3160 (RAW)? And if the latter, does that meet the 4K requirement of UHD, or miss it because 3792 is less than 3840 (and definitely less than 4096)?
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thats why i think its must be about the look on a 4k screen.
epic in anamorphic or red1 is also uprezzed 4k if its only numbers that count.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
I've heard that Bloodline was shot on Sony F55, not Alexa.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3520702/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec

I've not heard of any Netflix productions which have been shot on Arris cameras.
Any camera with acquisition above UHD is accepted from what I understand. I have not heard any specs on other aspects of a cameras capabilities, like DR and such, so resolution is the only thing they have strict rules for.
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It was definitely shot on F55, not Alexa.
 
Something that should be noted. Netflix is not only a big advocate of 4K and 4K+ capture for a 4K delivery, they are also only interested in shooting with the RAW formats each camera offers.

Big high fives go to them for focusing on that level of quality. Love that they are doing this "right", or at least what I think is right for that matter.
 
I think there is still a confusion as to what is being required here.
This is for a Netflix production, hence Netflix is requiring for their production that the source be shot at the minimum of 4k resolution.
It is important to remember that Netflix is more than just a movie and TV showing source, they are now a production house or network, depending on how you want to look at it.
These kinds of requirements by Networks have been around for years, especially at the advent of HD television. Networks generally require that a show being produced by them (Say Discover HD) be shot at certain resolutions/formats/compressions.
Other productions, privately funded or funded by other studios are still accepted to Netflix to be shown on netflix, but they are not a netflix production. Peter sounds like he is asking about a film being shot under the Netflix name.
So ultimately, yes it sucks, but if Netflix is footing the bill and looking for a unified front for Netflix productions, then they have every right to require a certain standard.
 
Patrick Tresch said:
Stanley Kubrick?
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David Fincher, Christopher Nolan.. etc.
A director has a vision and that vision might include such detailed things as the look that a certain camera gives or the possibilities for post it enables. Too few cinematographers i've met really grasp and care for things like editing for example, but a directors holds the entire vision in their head.


Phil Holland said:
Something that should be noted. Netflix is not only a big advocate of 4K and 4K+ capture for a 4K delivery, they are also only interested in shooting with the RAW formats each camera offers.

Big high fives go to them for focusing on that level of quality. Love that they are doing this "right", or at least what I think is right for that matter.
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Which actually shows even on normal 1080p streams. The quality of Netflix "super" HD is on par with BluRay on their own productions. They really get how to do streaming right, I haven't seen any other reach that level yet.
 
I object to the notion that few cinematographers care about editing -- thinking about how a sequence will be edited is part of the job of cinematography! What's the point of shooting a scene that can't be cut together? How can you discuss coverage with the director and script supervisor without discussing the editing? Few people have such generous schedules that you can cover a scene from so many angles that it can be cut any number of ways -- with time limitations it is important to design the coverage for the editing plan.
 
Phil Holland said:
Last I heard, Bloodlines was the last "Alexa allowed" production if I'm not mistaken, great show btw. I don't believe they are accepting upressed Amira or Alexa at this point.

If it was me I would be shooting 6K-5K on Dragon. If the show is a UHD delivery, likely 5.5K or 5K HD using Super 35mm lenses.

They will accept RED Epic/Scarlet Dragon, RED Weapon Dragon, Sony F55 and F65, and Varicam 35 (I think).
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Bloodline Netflix series or Bloodlines the movie?

Because the Netflix series was not shot on Alexa according to IMBD:

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James Falco said:
Bloodline Netflix series or Bloodlines the movie?

Because the Netflix series was not shot on Alexa according to IMBD:
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I have since corrected that, though on a few individual episodes it's spec'ed as the camera used. IMDB isn't exactly the most accurate place for any of this info however.
 
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