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NAB 2014 rumors and whispers

Arri will unquestionably continue holding the lion's share of the cinema market. A 6K camera from them would allow them to pull even farther away from the field in terms of their Hollywood image. Owner-operator is the battlefield for RED. I think the Sony Prores updates on their F5/55 will continue to challenge this though. Unquestionably, the king of the docu market is Canon. How they are going to bring some exciting fizz to their lineup remains a mystery though. Lastly., the Varicam is either going to eat into ALL of these markets or be a total flop.
 
What if Arri's 6K 65mm also has a 4K s35 window mode instead of a completely separate 4K s35 model? That would be a big seller and keep business alive for the 2k Alexa.
 
Dude red makes a fortune and most of that fortune is off of their accessories! Super overpriced accessories!
 
Adam Johnson said:
True, but it's apparently already in use as we speak on a couple of films. Obviously won't be the shocking announcement for us, but for the rest of the world...yeah everyone will be talking about it at NAB and on the internets.
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Oh so very true. I can see the headlines boasting about Arri's "achievement".
 
Matt Ryan said:
I'm curious most about the Panasonic s35 4k camera. 120fps, 14+ stops dynamic range, record dual formats like the f55, 120 minute record time at 24fps to p2 cards. If it's priced right it could take a huge share of the market.

Arris 65mm would be huge considering RED had been leading the larger format arena. This leaps Dragon big time sensor size wise. And let's be real, it's Arri so it will be widely used and loved.

Maybe RED will surprise us with a 9k FF sensor with Dragon like specs. I have my fingers crossed but a higher priced epic size 65mm camera would be INCREDIBLE. My guess is the Arri 65mm camera will be fairly large... Imagine a Dragon 65mm sensor capturing up to 100fps at full resolution. That would be exciting.
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Yeah red prides itself on bringing first 6k camera. But as Ted said at NAB, "who do we have to beat but our selves" but there's a $300k 8k camera in Japan so if Red announces a 9k camera It'll push boundaries: But let's be realistic who on earth needs 9k? I've saved up $15,300 and I'm pretty excited for this NAB announcements. I almost bought an epic x with my student discount at $15,700(such a tempting price!) but then decided to hold off since NAB is around the corner.
 
Wow I had no idea that Ted Schilowitz is no longer with Red, since last freaking year man. Where the heck have I been? Oh right on some of that :chillpill: pill.
 
Matt Ryan said:
What if Arri's 6K 65mm also has a 4K s35 window mode instead of a completely separate 4K s35 model? That would be a big seller and keep business alive for the 2k Alexa.
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No it would not be a "big seller".

A 4K window on a 6K 65mm sensor would NOT be S35 - not even close. Just do the math.

So ... you have VERY, VERY few lens choices - and most of them are around T4.5 - and NONE that an owner/operator can afford.

If ARRI is smart - they won't even SELL the 65mm camera - they would do RENT ONLY it via ARRI Media Group.

I anticipate ARRI continuing to push ALEXA XT and keep saying that 2.8K scales fine to UHD, etc. - and pushing AMIRA - so .... Papa Bear, Momma Bear and Baby Bear.

But I know for a fact that MANY Amira orders are canceling and switching to F55 - which was off to a very slow start but now gaining momentum fast as networks are actually starting to mandate 4K/UHD deliverables. Especially now that SONY is offering a $1000 hardware upgrade for existing owners to do onboard ProRes+DNxHD and all new cameras off the line moving forward will have that.
 
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Mark L. Pederson said:
......as networks are actually starting to mandate 4K/UHD deliverables.
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Neither Netflix, Amazon, nor Sony are "networks." I don't know of any "networks" (and I interpret that as being broadcast or cable networks) that are doing that at this point in time. I would agree that there are a few "entities" that are, but at this point it's very, very few, and considerably less than we were led to believe just a few months ago. That is the situation right now. Six to 12 months from now that could change. Or not. Time will tell......
 
M Most said:
Neither Netflix, Amazon, nor Sony are "networks." I don't know of any "networks" (and I interpret that as being broadcast or cable networks) that are doing that at this point in time. I would agree that there are a few "entities" that are, but at this point it's very, very few, and considerably less than we were led to believe just a few months ago. That is the situation right now. Six to 12 months from now that could change. Or not. Time will tell......
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Semantics. I will rephrase for you Mike - see below. And you can call Amazon and Netflix whatever you want - but they are BOTH currently funding series with budgets over $3M per episode - and all the shows greenlit with budgets over $3M an episode I'm aware of are mandated as 4K delivery. And while HBO/Cinemax has not yet mandated - they are finishing their first series to post & deliver in 4K right now :)

Anyway - here's my quote edited for your pleasure -

"But I know for a fact that MANY Amira orders are canceling and switching to F55 - which was off to a very slow start but now gaining momentum fast as some distribution platforms are actually starting to mandate 4K/UHD deliverables. Especially now that SONY is offering a $1000 hardware upgrade for existing owners to do onboard ProRes+DNxHD and all new cameras off the line moving forward will have that.
 
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Doesn't rehoused stills glass and pretty much all Zeiss primes cover ~65mm/FF35?
 
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Mike P. said:
Doesn't rehoused stills glass and pretty much all Zeiss primes cover ~65mm?
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Nope. You might be thinking about 35mm Full Frame. 65MM is pretty massive. Maybe this can put it in perspective for you -

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I was thinking FF35... But, yeah, 70mm IMAX is bigger than 65mm... 70mm is ~85mm diagonal...(FF35 is 36x24 so "only" ~45mm diagonal)... Medium format is ~65mm (~51x39) which is what I think they're going for... But yeah, still difficult to get glass at that size.
 
Chad Bonanno said:
I want to see a Canon 17-120 VS. Fujinon 19-90 comparison before I look at this thing...
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With the Fuji glass updated version...

Thankl you very much

Fury
 
man.. a $2k drop for the 1DC is nice but in my opinion its still not worth 10k and that all has to do with the jellow effect on the camera. It just makes it not worth it even at the $10k price; I'd rather get a Scarlet. Since the 1DX and 1DC are so similar in specs and almost everything else, they should price the 1DX at $5k and the 1DC at $6k that would be much more reasonable.
 
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