Mysterium-X...

[Tyler Black]

I feel like I'm going to be spending the rest of the day defending myself. I didn't mean for this to get to this point, but now that I'm into it, I'll respond to it. For those who have no interest (and the number must be enormous) I apologize.

Originally Posted by David Mullen:

Jeez Tyler, it's extremely different, how can you not see the difference? If you put Evin's footage on your reel, you are explicitly taking credit for someone else's work and hoping to get work based on that. If you simply quote Wikipedia when answering someone's internet question and don't cite the source, that's just being sloppy, it's not taking credit for someone else's work for the sake of making money.

David, yes, you and I see the difference. But others might not.

90% of what I know was either shown to me or that I read about in a book or on the internet by people more talented or more knowledgeable than me. Most of us are basically passing on information every day that someone else has, at least in part, done the footwork on; myself included. I'm not at all opposed to people taking information and repackaging it and passing it on. The internet I think is a unique form of sharing information in that it is common practice to take someone else's idea, copy it, and paste it into their own discussion without a second thought. If the "Film Speed" information referenced from Wikipedia had been copied and pasted verbatim in any other medium, such as print, and the original author found out, there could be serious legal consequences. But the web seems to be immune to that, right or wrong.

Someone a few posts back said they read the post from Danno and didn't assume he had written it. Well, there are many brilliant people that contribute generously on this message board every week and I am thankful for them every day. The Wiki "Film Speed" article that is under discussion could have been written in part or in whole by any number of them. If someone in here posts a comprehensive message on a subject, I always assume it could have been written by the poster. Do I think Danno was being malicious? No. But I think it's careless to take the results of someone else's work and pass it out like coupons without giving the author credit. And my intent was to point this out quietly to Danno. In hindsight, a PM might have been more discrete. I certainly didn't mean for it to escalate into this.

So I hope this clears up my intent on the subject and I apologize to everyone for leading the thread so far from the original topic and other relevant topics previously posted here. I hope we can move on from this. If someone still wants to discuss it, I will be happy to do so either through private messages or publicly until a moderator tells us to shut up.

Now I think I know how Geoff Boyle felt a couple of weeks ago! :willy_nilly:

 

[Tyler Black]

all red really has to do is tell everyone what they consider an optimal rating for the widest possible shooting conditions -- they'd probably say 320 asa -- and then let people choose other ratings as they see fit, according to their needs, tastes, and exposure tendencies.

agreed

i agree, i think most of the people here are smart enough to where you don't need an extra word in front of iso.

agreed

well, there are noise ratings for cameras. But i don't see how a single value can really describe the sensitivity vs. Noise vs. Dr of the camera anyway. But then, the asa rating of a film stock doesn't necessarily tell you how it looks -- the color saturation, the graininess (though you can guess that faster stocks are grainier), the contrast (dr), the underexposure latitude, etc.

Just as several digital cameras all saying that they are "320 asa" will not necessarily produce similar images with similar noise and dr, several color negative stocks labeled "500 asa" are not necessarily going to produce the same results either.

agreed

 

[Rick Burnett]

Yeah, that is a very good point. Unfortunately, I've never done anything with film, all digital. I do understand it and have read about it in great length. You can probably understand for someone new like myself that it can be very confusing to try and understand the limitations of a digital camera when reading theory and history that all pertain to film, and to have digital be described in terms of film capability just adds a layer of confusion. My only resolve (which is not necessarily bad) is to play with the camera in different conditions and push it to see what it can do. But a common language IS necessary when working with multiple people and conditions, so I understand why things are still related to film as they are.

But, I can say unequivocally that the threads at reduser have really taught me more than any of my other searches online have been able to do. One of the things I find so interesting about this discussion is that there is an opportunity here to flesh out more detailed information for digital consideration, since to me Red is DEFINITELY at the forefront of these technologies, and to read the opinions of professionals and see where there is ambiguity in their perceptions on the camera/sensor technology. Not to mention the openness of Red to discuss these things and refine them.

I was just having a discussion with the producer of a film I am getting ready to help with, and they were working out the budget for the film. I've been pushing to get them to shoot it on the Red One and continue to point out stuff that is shot on the Red (Like the new Misfits show on BBC) and was describing the false color features of the Red One to them and how beneficial these things are. I have pointed them to multiple threads here to open their eyes to Red capability and specification. Of course, the next step is to get them to rent a Red for a week or so and get their hands on it. Nothing can replace that experience.

 

[David Mullen ASC]

I suspect terms like ASA/ISO/EI are going to be used so far into the future of digital cameras that most people won't know their film origins.

 

[Patrick Tresch]

People coming from video use Lux as reference to evaluate the sensitivity of the digital camera. I always get in trouble when I ask them how many ASA is the camera rated?

Pat

 

[Stephen Williams]

People coming from video use Lux as reference to evaluate the sensitivity of the digital camera. I always get in trouble when I ask them how many ASA is the camera rated?

Pat

Hi Pat,

On many Sony cameras the gain can be set to read in ISO .

Stephen

 

[Gabriele Turchi]

Does jim said anything about the dates to upgrade the RedOne with The Misterium-x ?

Will be before or after scarlet/epic release?

Thanks

g

 

[Lee Dashiell]

Well...they say timing is everything and it looks like I may have had the worst luck in the world but it looks like there is light at the end of the tunnel. I was informed by RED today that my RED had a full sensor board assembly failure and needs to be replaced. That's the bad news...making the best of a bad day...it looks like I may be able to replace the sensor with the Mysterium X when they become available, so this thread just became very important to me.