My RED ONE (arrival date tomorrow) has just been Rendered OBSOLETE

[Ralph Wong]

Just got my camera two months ago, and I'm part of the group that's a little pissed. When I initially heard about Scarlet, the rumors had it being only a 2/3" sensor with a fixed lens. I felt I wanted at least a 35mm sized sensor with interchangeable lenses, so forking over the $17,500 was worth it for the added features. Now, it looks like the Scarlet WILL be a superior camera to the RED one at half the price! Everybody keeps saying that technology always moves forward and we should expect this. Look at the iPhone that went from $600 to $200 in the course of a year (and the $200 phone is better). The problem with this argument is that when you take a loss on smaller purchases like an iPhone or a computer, you may lose a couple of hundred dollars in value over the course of a year. If the Scarlet sells for around $15,000 with necessary accessories, current RED buyers will lose around $10,000 in the course of a year. It makes me wonder who would want to buy a RED One at this point unless they really needed to shoot something now. And for the people who wonder why I bought the camera if I didn't need to shoot something now, it's because RED told me I had to or I would lose my reservation number and credit for accessories.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

And for the people who wonder why I bought the camera if I didn't need to shoot something now, it's because RED told me I had to or I would lose my reservation number and credit for accessories.

At 8 am in the morning I got calls that said... What the #$%@ just happened? Those calls were from other R1 owners. They brought up similar points to yours. The RED One is frigging obsolete and I don't care how anyone tries to paint it. I'm damn happy I canceled the two more REDs I had on order.

I'm happy that RED made these announcements. I'm even happier I didn't get myself into a rut that I cannot get out of. Heck this is like gambling. If you've got a R1 now and you are pissed... its time to start hustling to get an Epic or sell your R1 NOW and get a Scarlet.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

I got news for you jerkys who are complaining. Apparently all your whiners seem to think that after the Scarlet and Epic, Jim is retiring from innovation. Well I have a weird feeling that 28k doesn't cut it for him. I suppose this same crew will whine when the RED Devastator 100k camera comes out and makes your Epic 645 or Scarlet FF35 "obsolete". Check your thought process. Your still only 2.5K higher than the competition to begin with and thats with the RED ONE.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

I got news for you jerkys who are complaining. Apparently all your whiners seem to think that after the Scarlet and Epic, Jim is retiring from innovation. Well I have a weird feeling that 28k doesn't cut it for him. I suppose this same crew will whine when the RED Devastator 100k camera comes out and makes your Epic 645 or Scarlet FF35 "obsolete". Check your thought process. Your still only 2.5K higher than the competition to begin with and thats with the RED ONE.

Do you own anything from RED?

 

[A. Bastaki]

Do you own anything from RED?

Lol.. I bet he shoots on a sony

 

[Kholi Hicks]

Do you own anything from RED?

Lmfao. Ownt.

People attacking EXISTING RED OWNERS need to get a grip. These are the people that funded this project. To attack them when they have every right to feel threatened is silly-as-hell.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

Lol.. I bet he shoots on a sony

Probably a DVX100 user.

 

[Jason Ing]

I'm a little confused about something, though.

right now, if you want red one capabilities, you wait for a scarlet. so people are stopping their orders. but... if you want an epic, you have to order a red one to be able to upgrade to an Epic? but eventually people will choose either the scarlet or epic, not the red one. so is Red going to continue to make red ones just for the sake for the people who eventually want to get an epic anyway? that's the only reason to buy a red one now, right? ok... not the only reason, if you need to shoot in the coming year, the red one is the best out there. but still... it seems like making red ones in the next year doesn't make sense for red. i guess they'll be a still be a market for the red one? but jim knows what he's doing and I'm just a little peon fanboy. haha.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

Yes I do. And I will trade it in as it is a generous offer and I will buy a scarlet as a second camera.
Thanks for asking. Be a big kid and continue to make money with your camera, trade it in or keep it.

 

[XiaoSu Han]

I feel exactly like Jason does, so the RED ONE should get a Scarlet downgrade programme.

 

[A. Bastaki]

I dont get it! how can something that is 17.5k, is 7k a year later??? Only the newer product is way better than the previous.

Something is clearly off.

Please give me an example of a "camera", please no other product bullshit.. we are talking about cameras here, so give us an example of another "camera" that was generations ahead in technology and was so drastically cheaper the following year.

I am not speculating... I have a question.. I would like to be answered.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

If the new accessories were available I would have went ahead and ordered two more REDs.. but heck i'm not rich enough to buy outdated EVF's, Drives, batteries, LCDs, cradles, etc.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

Yes I do. And I will trade it in as it is a generous offer and I will buy a scarlet as a second camera.
Thanks for asking. Be a big kid and continue to make money with your camera, trade it in or keep it.

Dude RED stickers don't count.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

Prepare to be very unhappy when Scarlets and Epics over saturate the market. At these price points, trading up makes a lot of sense. Trading up is offered on any version of Epic. So you can get in for as little at $ 11k with your RED One trade for a new Epic 6k

 

[Andrae Palmer]

Prepare to be very unhappy when Scarlets and Epics over saturate the market. At these price points, trading up makes a lot of sense. Trading up is offered on any version of Epic. So you can get in for as little at $ 11k with your RED One trade for a new Epic 6k

I'll agree with you there... but trading up is a lot higher than 11k.

 

[Ivan G]

I think there's room for ranting and praise here.

Not everyone is excited about the news...

Scarlet to wipe out the RED? Who saw that coming, nobody! Nobody saw 28K coming either. I guess for those early birds it's not as bad for the rest that are now receiving their R1s. I got mine in April and I'm kind of bummed.

If you don't own a RED and here to try and cheer someone up with using "JERK". Shut the fuck up and don't say anything at all.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

Andrae Palmer I get it already. How old are you? Stickers, DVX100, okay good for you. Maybe instead of trying to be funny, focus on paying off your camera by getting a few decent gigs so its a non issue. All my cameras are paid for and have made me money. If you just got your camera, master it and get booked on some higher end gigs. If your not an in demand DP/operator/DIT/Rental House, etc, then I have no advice except for sell your Red One now and pick up another trade.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

Abu Reno, I haven't heard any non owners using words like that.

 

[A. Bastaki]

I think there's room for ranting and praise here.

Not everyone is excited about the news...

Scarlet to wipe out the RED? Who saw that coming, nobody! Nobody saw 28K coming either. I guess for those early birds it's not as bad for the rest that are now receiving their R1s. I got mine in April and I'm kind of bummed.

If you don't own a RED and here to try and cheer someone up with using "JERK". Shut the fuck up and don't say anything at all.

I am an early bird.. had it for a year... im slightly.. slightly.. bummed.

 

[number6]

I feel exactly like Jason does, so the RED ONE should get a Scarlet downgrade programme.

This might work, but in doing so, an ouner would probably have to send in his or her camera RIGHT NOW! and wait until the ones who kept their RED Ones and exercised their right to purchase Scarlet at a discount were accommodated.

Then RED could rent those cameras back out to those who did the trade in for the Scarlet at say.... a thousand a week. (Hope you don't need a camera for any possible 52 week wait)