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My RED ONE (arrival date tomorrow) has just been Rendered OBSOLETE

Joe Taylor

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I just spent $20,000 + and was likely to spend more on a camera that is still on the FED EX truck and already this camera has just been "RENDERED OBSOLETE" by the people who promised me (us) that it never would.

I sort of expected this from the EPIC-- but now Scarlet is a substantially better camera than my yet unboxed RED ONE.

(Oh, by the way. For a year I've been told the RED ONE is 12 MP. Today's news says 9.2. What the hell is with that.)

This morning I sort of feel like RED did an Indiana Jones on me South Park style.
 
Of course your camera will depreciate in value over time (ok ok, except for certain things like Leica equipment). I don't think that they promised that this would never happen.

You would be eligible for a sensor upgrade, and you would be eligible for credit towards an Epic. To me, in that sense, it looks like they will be keeping their promise.
 
Joe, take it easy. I just lost 15k in stocks and I'm still pumped about getting my R1. It's the best available now. These new options are at least several months away. Use your R1 and then upgrade later.

At the same time, you never have to upgrade your R1 and you'll still be making superb -looking movies. Think about your story, mate. RED DIGITAL will take care of the rest! ;>)
 
Joe Taylor said:
I just spent $20,000 + and was likely to spend more on a camera that is still on the FED EX truck and already this camera has just been "RENDERED OBSOLETE" by the people who promised me (us) that it never would.

I sort of expected this from the EPIC-- but now Scarlet is a substantially better camera than my yet unboxed RED ONE.

(Oh, by the way. For a year I've been told the RED ONE is 12 MP. Today's news says 9.2. What the hell is with that.)

This morning I sort of feel like RED did an Indiana Jones on me South Park style.
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I think it`s time for you to wake and grow up.
 
GlennChan said:
Of course your camera will depreciate in value over time (ok ok, except for certain things like Leica equipment). I don't think that they promised that this would never happen.

You would be eligible for a sensor upgrade, and you would be eligible for credit towards an Epic. To me, in that sense, it looks like they will be keeping their promise.
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Glen I respectfully submit, that as a person who has not purchased a R1 you should put your money where your mouth is. Though you have had many informative post in the past, I think your shoes need to be bigger today.


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could be a while before these are actually selling....

use your R1 for a year....if it makes money trade it up...
or upgrade the sensor for free

the R1 is being used on movies right now....
and this was bound to happen....
 
I don't get it. You can use your new camera and all the accesories for a year
and then get a full refund for the part the needs to be updated!! then your
on par with everyone else....whats the big deal?? I mean really do yo think Sony or Panasonic would take back your f900 or Varicam and say here is your full purchase price back to buy our new product.
 
kalone said:
I think it`s time for you to wake and grow up.
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I suppose you're right. After all, I am only expecting to take delivery of this camera... TODAY of all days.

Hell, at 7:00 am I was excited as hell. By 8:30 I felt like I got fired/dumped/sued/ and bad news from the Doctor-- all in that order.
 
Joe, don't know what you are planning on using your camera for so can't say if your R1 in obsolete or not. It certainly isn't if you want to shoot something now. And consider that the footage you will shoot will be higher quality than the general public can watch at full rez for years to come.

So, unless you bought the camera to show and tell the (soon-to-be) latest and greatest thing, then no, your R1 is not obsolete. But if you are all about fashion, then you obviously have enough money to upgrade to an Epic when the time comes.
 
number6 said:
....you obviously have enough money to upgrade to an Epic when the time comes.
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Bullshit.


I've been getting PM's telling me to be more optimistic. Believe me, I am trying SO HARD. Try to understand wiring all your savings several days past and waking up to this.
 
Bottom line for me (as a 10 day owner of R1)-

Even in 10 years time I will be able to shoot with the R1, and it will be comparable to 35mm.

Red one is not obsolete, its only that we now have more options.

If you are happy with a Scarlet, you can sell your camera at a slight loss to someone who wants to buy an Epic. Until Scarlet ships, you'll be getting a very cheap rental.

So while I understand your reaction, I don't see today's announcements as grim news for us recent R1 owners.
 
Joe Taylor said:
Bullshit.


I've been getting PM's telling me to be more optimistic. Believe me, I am trying SO HARD. Try to understand wiring all your savings several days past and waking up to this.
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Hey Buddy! Try wiring all your savings for TWO RED Ones and then eating beans and turning off your water heater and keeping the air-conditioner off all summer in 100 degree heat to keep your electric bill low just so you can complete both transactions. Try buying one tank of gas per month so you can maybe buy a used Nikon mount lens on ebay to stick on the end of your cameras when they arrive. I could go on and on but that would one-upping you to the extreme. So when I give you advice on this, I am speaking from experience. You can still feel bad if you want to, but I choose to be Lou Gherig (without the disease part). That is, today I feel I am the luckiest man on the face of the earth!

Your emotional make-up may vary:tongue:
 
Joe, you're starting to #@$! me off, and that's not easy....

Here's a simple test question: Do you need a great camera to make a film now?

If your answer is yes, and you're getting your camera soon, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

If your answer is no, well, you're still a nobody....
(I know - 'nobody' is strong wording, and everyone's a somebody. Could you imagine not having a body!? :sarcasm:
 
ricopedra said:
Joe, you're starting to piss me off, and that's not easy....

Here's a simple test question: Do you need a great camera to make a film now?

If your answer is yes, and you're getting your camera soon, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

If your answer is no, well, you're still a nobody....
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Making a movie doesn't make you beeing someone.
 
breizo said:
Making a movie doesn't make you beeing someone.
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History shows it helped Spielberg... Lucas... others. but I do see your point. One could also make a revolutionary camera for instance.
 
go easy on the guy....

i feel some of the frustration...but i am more exited for the things to come...

you still have the best camera going for the price...total upgradability...

and really....Red could be late with all this.....we could be looking at 2010?
 
Did you really expect RED to pump all of their R&D into the REDONE and spend the next twenty five years sending us free upgrades?

I think the line "rendering osolescence obsolete" is being taken way too literally.

Free audio board upgrades, free firmware upgrades, free iPins upgrade, exchange programs for higher end camera systems (like the EPIC) - that says it all to me.

I am glad that RED is forging ahead AND taking care of their customers in the process.

Be happy! You have a great camera!It produces amazing images - and always will.

You have not been shafted.
 
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