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Medium budget lighting

Linda Barzini said:
Extended CRI with R9 (saturated red), R13 (light skin) and R15 (medium skin) would be better for me but difficult to find on many lights.
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this is why IMO it's best to read the lights out urself. Besides the manufacturer fairy tales, lots of folks doing reviews are biased, sponsored etc - but more importantly there can be drastic unit variations. there shouldn't be, but there are, especially in LED.

it's the exact same with lenses. always good to see real live info (not from the manufacturer) from other folks, to ballpark performance.
 
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The photometrics in your excel sheet might be a bit wrong: The Lishuai panel seems to be put out about half of it's stated output @ 1m
There is something fucky about those Digital Sputnik DS1 numbers as well (despite the fact that it's always a 20 degree beam angle as opposed to some of the other photometrics that are from way wider angled fixtures), as it puts out "3600 lux / 334 fc at 10' / 3 m" - which is quite a bit less than the Razyr 7.
The Kinotehnik Practilite 602 at 75 degree flood puts out "@ 9.9' (3.0m): 32 fc / 344 lux with a beam diameter of 14' (430cm)"


There are also the Pixapro lights, with the 200D being close in output (tests on the DVX Forums) to the Aputure 300D (no V-Mount though).
The 100D has a V-Mount plate option, has a bit more output than the Aputure COB120D and is quite a bit cheaper (though you will need to change the stock fan to something that runs silently).
 
I mentioned the new Dedolight DLED30 in an earlier reply, the specs are in German but flood, medium and spot are quite easy to translate...
definitely looks like the most powerful LED so far.

TLCI 95
Stromaufnahme 300 W

Photometrische Daten (Lux):
1 Meter Abstand:
Flut 11.700
Medium 26.000
Spot 162.000
2 Meter Abstand:
Flut 2.925
Medium 5.727
Spot 40.500
3 Meter Abstand:
Flut 1.300
Medium 2.990
Spot 18.000
5 Meter Abstand:
Flut 468
Medium 1.075
Spot 6.480
10 Meter Abstand:
Flut 117
Medium 269
Spot 1.620
20 Meter Abstand:
Flut 29
Medium 67
Spot 405
 
Vladimir Cazacu said:
The photometrics in your excel sheet might be a bit wrong: The Lishuai panel seems to be put out about half of it's stated output @ 1m
There is something fucky about those Digital Sputnik DS1 numbers as well (despite the fact that it's always a 20 degree beam angle as opposed to some of the other photometrics that are from way wider angled fixtures), as it puts out "3600 lux / 334 fc at 10' / 3 m" - which is quite a bit less than the Razyr 7.
The Kinotehnik Practilite 602 at 75 degree flood puts out "@ 9.9' (3.0m): 32 fc / 344 lux with a beam diameter of 14' (430cm)"
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Good point. I should mention the photometrics numbers shouldn't be taken too seriously because each manufacturer puts out a variety of numbers which vary significantly from spot to flood and from tungsten to daylight. Also, when the distance isn't exactly the same, the inverse square law can make them seem weaker or stronger because the difference between 1M and 2M equals 1/4 the loss of light.

Digital Sputnik Photometrics (manufacturer):
32000 lux / 2973 fc at 3' / 1 m
3600 lux / 334 fc at 10' / 3 m
1300 lux / 121 fc at 16' / 5 m
330 lux / 31 fc at 33' / 10 m
170 lux / 16 fc at 49' / 15 m

The only conclusion I would suggest is the Digital Sputnik, Rayzr 7, and Aputure are little powerhouse lights. Frequently reviews would state they wished the other lights had a little more output (Kino Flo Diva and Lishuai Edge 1380). Today, price is not necessarily indicative of performance.

Vladimir Cazacu said:
There are also the Pixapro lights, with the 200D being close in output (tests on the DVX Forums) to the Aputure 300D (no V-Mount though).
The 100D has a V-Mount plate option, has a bit more output than the Aputure COB120D and is quite a bit cheaper (though you will need to change the stock fan to something that runs silently).
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Another good point. My list is limited. It served my needs and I am happy to share if it helps anyone in their research.
 
Linda, if you do go with the 300d, it would be great if you could post a follow up. I was seriously considering picking one up, but heard that the ballast can be a bit noisy. Hoping you find otherwise!
 
Linda,

If you're on location and have around $4 or $5k, and mostly want soft light, here is a combo you might consider.
-LiteMat 4: $2k. Soft, comes with Chimera grids and eggcrate. Super light, can be gaffed to walls.
-Voyager 4' tubes: $600. Can be soft or hard, depending on orientation. Can serve as practicals on screen.
-LED Source 4: $2.5k. Hard source, use gobos and shapes on backgrounds.

This gives you the spectrum of soft to hard light, stays within the same output range, and together you can have LiteMat as your key, Voyager as your hair light or kicker, and Source 4 as your background light faking window shapes, etc.

Of course, this is just one approach, which may or may not be ideal depending on your taste and needs. In any case, best of luck!
 
Aputure 120d mentioned here will have a number of improvements in a few months:

 
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300d hem

My experience with the 300d, the best light you can buy for the money...period. Color is totally amazing, They now have a new version of the softbox that is a colapasible version, I would wait a month for it.
 
Gunther Meisse said:
My experience with the 300d, the best light you can buy for the money...period. Color is totally amazing, They now have a new version of the softbox that is a colapasible version, I would wait a month for it.
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Light Dome II shipping in 2-3 months

 
I have and use the HIVE Wasp 100-C lights for corporate work all the time. Super flexible, super portable, and well priced. My only issue has been the key light output (side/hair is usually fine) when in sun-drenched rooms. Just ordered the new 200-C to rectify that.

Really awesome kit, can't recommend it enough.
 
Since 4months I'm using Thelight Velvet Power1 - powerful and fan-free duo-colour LED panel with simple folding soft-box but most surprising feature: waterproof !
I could't believe it is possible to find something like this with price tag around $1500
Not sure about light accuracy or CRI as the company providing not too much info on specification sheet :(
Is someone here had any experience with this LED ?
 
Andrew Dease said:
As of 2020 where does this stand?
Aputure vs Hive.
Quality difference?
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What kind of quality do you mean? Build quality, metrics for faith to visible spectrum, value to own or rent?

I'd generally say both lines produce high quality results for their intended purposes. When it comes to Aputure and Hive, I think it's more a difference of what their strengths are and which is a better fit for your situation. By and large, I wouldn't choose them for the same task.

I see Aputure's line as generally offering more white light per dollar. Aside from the new light Hive pitches as an HMI replacement (super hornet?), I'd choose Aputure for most tasks where I need a daylight key.

Hive's strength I see as being in color. Aputure of course has the Nova for RGBW light, but it's a broad source, whereas the Hive lights are as "point source" as LED gets-- are hard source that you shape with modifiers. Less power, but lots of flexibility and nuance.

Arri L5-7 I haven't used, don't see around much. Nice lights, but Arri hasn't really updated them (instead pursuing Skypanel and now Orbiter), so they feel like maybe they're a generation or so behind. Less power than Aputure, less flexible than Hive, but great in that they're an all-in-one fresnel replacement.
 
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