Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Matte Box Woes

Excellent, thread! Glad to see so many agree on MB pricing. Curt...love the Mirus unit...hope to check one out someday...if VF has the capacity and time; I'd say jump all over the MB "need".
 
Dude don't be shy if you need development cash - take reservations and a deposit! I'd put down 50% if you could promise Arri quality at 1/3 the price... only it's got to be ready by August! :biggrin: Alright... October...

Rugged, full feature set and as light as possible. I think that you could sell more of these than mo-co heads, which tend to be speciality items (although much less stimulating to build, I'd imagine.)
 
I would buy a viewfactor mattebox. I think the materials need to be on par with the Arri MB20. I have no hopes for the Redrock, their build quality is terrrible.

The full Arri MB20 and follow focus for 19mm rods runs for $11000.

Curt, give me a $3000 mattebox/studio ff combo of similar quality and I will pay in advance.
 
Well, based off this thread there seems to be a huge demand. I'll see what we can do. Whatever we do it won't be a copy. I hate it when people steal designs without investing anything into making a product better. Do you guys have any recommendations that you would like to see in a new design?

On the subject of the moco heads... I think its a awesome product that you guys would have to experience to appreciate. We will have beta units in a couple months and are going to be sending several units to some rental houses. Sometimes new technologies need to be spread through word of mouth, we have time and plenty of patience to make this happen.
 
Boothba said:
Has anyone tried the Cavision 16x9 with swing out?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...=CAMB565U3&is=REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=442112

The price is nice, and it has an impressive features but it seems too heavy at 4.6 lbs. On a very shallow note, it's also quite ugly. A matte box is one of the major features to set the aesthetic of a camera. It would be a shame to spoil Red's sleek curves with something like this.
Click to expand...

Uh well...have you actually seen it in person or are you going off the B&H picture? I went by the Cavision booth twice at NAB and was really super impressed with this matte box. I think B&H does a poor job showing it. It looked and felt nearly as good as the Arri one, for a fraction of the price. This particular Cavision matte felt MUCH better than a Chroziel or Petroff matte. All the parts felt solid and I thought the look was very pro. After looking at half a dozen matte box manufacturers I will most likely be putting this one on my Red. I'm not affiliated with them, this matte box just blew me away for anything in the under $2k price tag.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
.... This particular Cavision matte felt MUCH better than a Chroziel or Petroff matte. All the parts felt solid and I thought the look was very pro. After looking at half a dozen matte box manufacturers I will most likely be putting this one on my Red. I'm not affiliated with them, this matte box just blew me away for anything in the under $2k price tag.
Click to expand...

Yeah, the 4169H 3-stage is particularly impressive, good build quality and under $700 with flags! ( that'll be if you're using Nikons, for Pls go with the MB565-U)
 
Eh, I didn't like that one as much. I meant the 5x5 swingaway matte, it looked and felt more pro.
 
John Allardice said:
Just off the top of my head...
3 stage ( 2 rotating independently)
4 x 5.65 and 4x4 stages
swing away
15mm & 19mm center mounts
Side panels with the rotating extenders (ala Arri & Chrosziel)
Click to expand...

I vote for all of the above as well. Depending on size and weight considerations, the mount could be interchangeable to allow for either 15mm or 19mm rod mounts with different spacing.

What would be really cool is a modular mattebox system that allows the user to build it up to fit their needs. Interchangeable mounts and filter stages, ability to make it a full 19mm rod mount studio swing-out box with 4 filter stages. ...Or strip it all down to a clip-on with a single rotating filter stage for handheld and steadicam work.

For construction materials, I would like to see carbon fiber, aluminum and titanium, possibly some plastics. But would like to see it as durable as possible and as light as possible.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Uh well...have you actually seen it in person or are you going off the B&H picture? I went by the Cavision booth twice at NAB and was really super impressed with this matte box. I think B&H does a poor job showing it. It looked and felt nearly as good as the Arri one, for a fraction of the price. This particular Cavision matte felt MUCH better than a Chroziel or Petroff matte. All the parts felt solid and I thought the look was very pro. After looking at half a dozen matte box manufacturers I will most likely be putting this one on my Red. I'm not affiliated with them, this matte box just blew me away for anything in the under $2k price tag.
Click to expand...

I checked this one out at NAB as well Shawn. I found it so-so but no where in the same league as an ARRI or the chroziel. The function of their locks and chunky moving parts was a little weak from what I saw.

If View Factor makes one I would recomend one that take 4x4s, 4x5.6 and 5.6x5.6
 
Finner...I'll give you that it's not an ARRI...but I honestly prefer it to the Chroziel. Can you elaborate more?

On a side note (and I am not accusing you of this Finner), I think there is way too much brand snobbery in filmmaking. Heck yes an ARRI is better, but is it 300% better? I think not. Sure Cavision had some trouble early on, but then people just write them off and dont give them a chance to improve. Guys at the Cavision booth were telling me that ARRI contracts them for some components.
 
CVB said:
If we were to look at any matte box on the market to build on, which one would you guys suggest we look at? One other question... (pardon my ignorance) why are filters still being used when it seems like there is so much flexibility in the digital realm to do color correction in post?
Click to expand...

2 filters - Polarizers are still used - especially around water and windshields to reduce reflections and glare plus improve color saturation. Post production can not reveal fish under water lost to blown out sun glare. ND grads are still very good are darkening the sky and clouds for better exposure in highlights. Post can not save blown out clouds after the fact. Please make filter holders both rotatable and adjustable up and down. 2 stages is fine now with digital.
 
John Allardice said:
Just off the top of my head...
3 stage ( 2 rotating independently)
4 x 5.65 and 4x4 stages
swing away
15mm & 19mm center mounts
Side panels with the rotating extenders (ala Arri & Chrosziel)

..anyone else?...
Click to expand...

Or 2 stages (rotating independently) for $200 less. :)
Also, it would be nice if it could handle wider lenses like 15mm if possible.
 
I'd prefer 4x5.65/5x5 trays and 5.65x5.65/5x6 trays. Might as well go all the way. If Arri can fit all four sizes into one lightweight mattebox... Curt or RED can.
 
Like I said - you´ll need two MBs, a studio rig ( multi-stage+rotatable, french flags and barn doors ) and a light weight one ( maybe 1-2 stages, with at least one to rotate and a french flag ).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top