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Matte Box Woes Revisited

Hi Curt

Thanks for the note - I wasn't really thinking of your comments when I wrote it. Maybe just a general thought on product development. It's always an interesting time for everyone in the pre-release phase, and all the speculation etc.

Cheers

Brian
 
jaadgy akanni said:
Luis, how could you have already formulated such an opinion on the RedRock mattebox without having tested it in person, 'cause as far as I know, no one has yet. With all due respect, you sound like those people who diss the REd camera 'cause they figure it couldn't possibly be any good at such a low price. Following that same logic, you should be looking to get yourself a more "respected" Genesis instead of the RED One. For all I know, the REdRock mattebox will most probably turn out to be of as good a quality as the "respected" MB-20. In spec'ing his mattebox, Brian Valente has stated that he has taken into consideration all the suggestions we here at Reduser.com have made, as far as what we want in a mattebox. When purchasing stuff, sometimes people have a tendency to be masochistic -they feel better paying a higher price, 'cause it makes them believe the product is therefore better-plus they also believe that "respected" product is gonna make them appear more "professional". If the RedRock mattebox has all the features that Brian has promised(which we ourselves asked for), you buy your "respected" MB-20 and I'll be rocking my RedRock on my REd One.
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Ups! sorry I hurt your feelings!

Well, I based my opinion on the Redrock from what i saw at NAB. If they have a newer prototype at IBC I'll sure check it out as I couldn't make it to cinegear.

Anyway, I respectfully remind you that what I said is just my opinion. You can be happy with your Redrock and I with my MB-20 (or VFS MB hopefully) so why the attitude?

As a side note, we'll be renting here in Mexico and will be working with DP's used to standard pro film equipment (in which Arri plays a major role), so that's why using an MB-20 has an additional value for our business.

I didn't mean to bash or anything, just state my opinion.

The best
 
luis bustamante said:
Ups! sorry I hurt your feelings!

Well, I based my opinion on the Redrock from what i saw at NAB. If they have a newer prototype at IBC I'll sure check it out as I couldn't make it to cinegear.

Anyway, I respectfully remind you that what I said is just my opinion. You can be happy with your Redrock and I with my MB-20 (or VFS MB hopefully) so why the attitude?

As a side note, we'll be renting here in Mexico and will be working with DP's used to standard pro film equipment (in which Arri plays a major role), so that's why using an MB-20 has an additional value for our business.

I didn't mean to bash or anything, just state my opinion.

The best
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It's all good, Luis. No attitude here :-) Thanks for those words, anyway. Please be sure to check RedRock's new and improved mattebox design and report back to us.
Luis, I do understand why people who are in the rental business like you, will continue to acquire the Arri MB-20, for it'll be a while until enough people start building faith and realizing that these new affordable Cinema products are as good as the ones they've been paying so much for. In fact, it'll be some time until professionals start trusting the RED camera as an equal or better alternative to the conventional gear they so love. That's human nature. I guess that in the long run, the advent of products like CVB's and RR's matteboxes are gonna be bad thing for those who are in the gear rental business.
 
Adrian Correia said:
I'm in Curt...is there any word on the when you would need/want deposits?
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I wouldn't feel comfotable even thinking about taking deposits until I have a path to production. Lets wait until I get some renderings up and have a chance to get some feedback from you guys.. Then I'll take your money ;) I will probably hit up the community to test out protos etc... I'll let everyone know when the time comes.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Will you be doing top french flag and side adjustable wings? I really want those and hope it comes default with the package!
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Terms change. Use to be a french flag was an indepently mounted flag over the camera. The front part of an over head shade of an mattebox was called an eye brow.
 
Thank you Curt and btw I loved reading about your experiences w/ the Mirus prototype on your Forum and how it is shaping up to be a much better product than expected. I am VERY glad to be #24! Great stuff as always Curt and I am w/ Curran, I will be a customer for every well thought out solution you guys bring to market-- and since that is the only kind of work you do... then I am all in!

For the small owner/operator your products and those of RED will allow me to extend my abilities without the need to work FOR a much LARGER organisation-- just a few highly talented crew members that are just as excited as myself.. Light, nimble and lethal.

Cheers---Andrew

ps-- I was told this last week that in order to "run w/ the big dogs" in my market that you really need two things just to get a meeting for the larger projects--- a) a Media Composer and b) the ability to shoot film. hmmmm... my strategy will be a little different.
 
Thanks Andrew... we posted a pic of the head with a cinealta on it... It makes it look really small... Can't wait to get a red one on there with a matte box from us ;)
 
CVB said:
Thanks Andrew... we posted a pic of the head with a cinealta on it... It makes it look really small... Can't wait to get a red one on there with a matte box from us ;)
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Headed over to check out the picture. Heheh... I have a feeling that mine will look just like it!:sarcasm:

EDIT--- Those two pics are awesome!!! Curt, I cannot wait-- I appreciate all your hard work sir--- bridges, bumpers and other interstitial shots will never be the same!!!
 
Has Red given any hints to the front diameter of it's 50-150 zoom. I'm looking for the smallest possible MB that will work with both the 18-50mm and the 50-150mm. I'm hoping to avoid 6x6.
 
jaadgy akanni said:
It's all good, Luis. No attitude here :-) Thanks for those words, anyway. Please be sure to check RedRock's new and improved mattebox design and report back to us.
Luis, I do understand why people who are in the rental business like you, will continue to acquire the Arri MB-20, for it'll be a while until enough people start building faith and realizing that these new affordable Cinema products are as good as the ones they've been paying so much for. In fact, it'll be some time until professionals start trusting the RED camera as an equal or better alternative to the conventional gear they so love. That's human nature. I guess that in the long run, the advent of products like CVB's and RR's matteboxes are gonna be bad thing for those who are in the gear rental business.
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Yeah, thanks for understanding. And as I said in my initial post, if VFS or RR mattebox kicks ass I'll never hesitate to get that over the MB20, my comment was that if I had to choose over the VOCAS and the ARRI I'd go with the last one due to it's reputation in the film industry.

Believe me we're set to changing the way pictures are done in our country and it's close minded industry! We are revolutionaries as well!

The best,
 
Curt
Gotta say I love what youre doing with the Mirus head - almost as much as Im loving what the RED team are doing.
This is the kind of head that I have been waiting on for timelapse work. It is totally perfect for that kind of application.
Best of luck with it - if the cash gods smile on me anytime soon I'll put my order in.

Cam
 
Thanks Cam, that means alot. We looked around and there are no systems that are made for the layman... they are all built for technicians. We are glad to be able to provide a service and can't wait for everyone to play around with this stuff. Its very gratifying to see people making art with the exacting precision of a robot :)
 
What I'd be concerned about with any new mattebox design would be light leakage (if you have light bouncing around between those filters it can be a real nightmare) and filter tray tolerances.

Filter trays need to be able to slide and rotate in their individual slots quite easily but need to do so without allowing any light in. I have encountered both these problems with certain name brand models.

For my money, I've owned a Vocas and they are pretty robust and very cleverly designed (but tech support is not the best), the Arri's are also pretty bullet proof. I cant say that about the other brands though in my experience. If I have $400 pieces of glass sliding in and out and rotating around I'd want the mechanism holding them to be top quality.
 
Curt, count me in for the Mattebox and the Remote Follow Focus. Sounds really great.

Manuel
 
jaadgy akanni said:
With a price point of $1000-1200, CVB's mattebox has definitely got to be significantly better than the RR mattebox, considering that the RR is only $500. So the question won't be whether it's equal or better than the Arri, but whether its quality justifies choosing it over the RR mattebox.
Let's just wait and see:calm:
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why do people think price has anything to do with quality?

its all about the companies profit margin.. some can do it cheaper because they have the capabilities too.
I admit that alot of "CHEAP" stuff is "CHEAP".. i just dont get how a mattebox would cost anything more that 1000 bucks.. i made one (field of view was perfect) for under 200. it wasnt the BEST, but it worked!
 
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