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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Matrox MXO and MXO2 test

solecize said:
that's what I'm doing now for working in the studio, i was just hoping i could have a bargain basement monitoring solution on set using redcine and a laptop, since I already have the mxo2 in-hand. Guess it's time to break down and buy a monitor.

Sorry i missed your earlier post, I'm now going back and catching up. Thanks for all the info by the way.
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There are many 10-bit panel choices with HDMI, so be picky about the wide viewing angle, panel being real 10-bit and 24p capability. Although MXO2 does not support 24p on HDMI at this moment, they will be with the firmware update. Matrox is working hard everyday to add more features.

For instead of MXO with REDCINE/Laptop, you can do MXO2 with Clipfinder/FCP/Color workflow that is more powerful, but limited to 2K, I know :sick: .
 
Well it's only slightly frustrating. It could be worse, I could be shooting with an HVX on p2 cards and having to log and transfer on the set at ridiculously low speeds in a format that isn't raw. Ahh the good ol' days.

I know it's a bad habit but I find myself saying things like- oh don't worry about the WB, as long as we're not clipping i can fix it later...
 
Right, I know the P2 days, but P2 got me to RED, though, so, I'm thankful, I'm pretty sure you are, too.

RED is updating the features and I think monitoring in REDspace gamma helps getting the right exposures a lot. I see from many cameraman's footage and see them in perfect exposure lately.
 
Hi Kaku -- Thank you very much for presenting us with your findings. I would be especially interested in your experience with the motu v4hd. How does it compare and what are your impressions. Thank you again.

-noel
 
N_Villers said:
Hi Kaku -- Thank you very much for presenting us with your findings. I would be especially interested in your experience with the motu v4hd. How does it compare and what are your impressions. Thank you again.

-noel
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I'll do that as soon as I can make time and start another thread for that.
 
Been busy working of a couple of features now, but I will take a look again (V4HD testing, too) during the new year vacation.
 
Thanks kaku,

I am wondering if the MXO/2 can playback only his ouwn built codeck or all the Quicktime codec installed in the system...

Thanks

G
 
I remember it does try to wether smoothly or now. MXO did better (although it only supports 8-bit), but won't be as precise to use it for mastering to tape.
 
I tested the MXO2/Cineform444 quickly. I wouldn't say it works well together, but it does somewhat playback with limited frame rate. This is with the sequence's compressor set to Cineform codec. This is the reason why I'm trying to convince Matrox and CineForm to work together.

You can also place Cineform clip on to Prores timeline and render to playback with MXO2 video out and I didn't see gamma shift.
 
i am considering buying the mxo but really wanted to see if there was a better option out there, i know you have experience with other converters on the market, what would you say is the best out there for the REd workflow with FCP and color, what really bothers me about the mxo is the esata slot going on my macbook pro, apart from that i really was interested in the hdmi output, but if i can't edit because i have lost the esata slot the idea of the mxo seems redundant and i might as well get a BM HD multibridge eclipse...what are your thoughts? many thanks for your time.
 
Bob,

I completed significant amount of work with RED footage this past two months and sorry couldn't really come up with good answer to you, but I have to know what your main jobs are for. Is it mainly for video or film?

Also, you need to get some converter features but what do you need that for?

Best,
 
All of my work these days is red, so all footage is red. I was going to use the hdmi out from the MXO and get a nice 10bit lcd panel.
 
I see, but what is your final format most of the time? video or film?

MXO2 does well with proxy (M size) editing on FCP, send that to Color for native color grading, then send back to FCP as Prores422HQ. Also, you can use Log and transfer as ProRes422HQ to edit since it works well with ProRes422HQ.

I will check with Mac Book Pro/MXO2/LaCie LBD (FW800 connection) combo to do proxy editing to see if that works well for you, too.
 
Kaku Ito said:
I see, but what is your final format most of the time? video or film?

MXO2 does well with proxy (M size) editing on FCP, send that to Color for native color grading, then send back to FCP as Prores422HQ. Also, you can use Log and transfer as ProRes422HQ to edit since it works well with ProRes422HQ.

I will check with Mac Book Pro/MXO2/LaCie LBD (FW800 connection) combo to do proxy editing to see if that works well for you, too.
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Both video and film, but mainly video. I can edit pretty well with H proxies in FCP, this is not a problem, my main issue is getting a nice well calibrated image to a decent hdmi panel, as i was under the impression that the MXo has color calibration tools that set a decent panel up for a cheap way to grade.?
 
i dont use the wrapped files, as there is a bug that will not let spanned files grade in color without looping, so i output an edl from fcp into color set up a 2k project, grade then send back to fcp as a proreshq, color links the h proxies to the original R3D files, but you know all this right?
 
AFAIK the MXO will need adjustment by eye and hand, since the typical calibration softwares with a colorimeter can't directly access it.
Plus, the connection between the MXO and the screen will be 8 bit (only the MXO2 is 10 bit), an you are going to tweak the LUTs in the MXO, not in the screen. This will degrade your image, you may see banding when there really isn't any.
If you need a calibrated display only, you should be much better off with a hardware-calibrated screen plus colorimeter, one of the cheapest is coming from Eizo.
But if you need calibrated SDI, you should use the MXO and a calibrated HDTV monitor. To make full use of the 10 bit out of the MXO2, you need to spend quite a few dollars on the screen.
 
nomad said:
AFAIK the MXO will need adjustment by eye and hand, since the typical calibration softwares with a colorimeter can't directly access it.
Plus, the connection between the MXO and the screen will be 8 bit (only the MXO2 is 10 bit), an you are going to tweak the LUTs in the MXO, not in the screen. This will degrade your image, you may see banding when there really isn't any.
If you need a calibrated display only, you should be much better off with a hardware-calibrated screen plus colorimeter, one of the cheapest is coming from Eizo.
But if you need calibrated SDI, you should use the MXO and a calibrated HDTV monitor. To make full use of the 10 bit out of the MXO2, you need to spend quite a few dollars on the screen.
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Thanks can you recommend a screen, i was thinking of purchasing the mxo2.
 
There's a wide range from TV-Logic to eCinema. I don't have that much money, we use a Quato motion 240 (www.quato.de), which is the cheapest solution with SDI and hardware calibration, but it can not be calibrated fully automatically via SDI, only via DVI.
 
nomad said:
There's a wide range from TV-Logic to eCinema. I don't have that much money, we use a Quato motion 240 (www.quato.de), which is the cheapest solution with SDI and hardware calibration, but it can not be calibrated fully automatically via SDI, only via DVI.
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They look very nice monitors, which model did you go with.?
 
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