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Massive Theft

I think that most of us have similar philosophies when it comes to theft. Some years ago on a photography forum I suggested that digital cameras output encrypted RAW files. Many responses were recommending that we just insure our cameras; and that maybe it would add unnecessary cost and complication. Um, that won't help get it back, will it? And it won't stop thieves making good use of our stuff, will it? And these same folks have no trouble with expensive cameras with big sensors and high pixel counts which require more memory cards etc.

Of course all ideas like this get poo-pooed until the manufacturer gives its imprimatur, at which point they all are ideas great and good.

Computer security depends not on one, monolithic feature but on many, smaller features. The Nazis had fewer, bigger tanks while the Soviets had more, smaller tanks. Guess whose army was able to utilize its armour better? That philosophy would serve us well. FWIW, the Second World War is my moral compass.

Maybe some outlandish features could be custom mounts with matched lenses. Expensive, but nobody can use their lenses on your camera, or your lenses on their camera. Only for those with the money, though.

Martial arts offers very good insights on defence. Don't resist your opponent. Let him come at you instead. Don't be stronger than your opponent, be faster (at the beginning of WW2, the German army was weaker than the French army, but much faster). Only by admitting that thieves are smarter than you will you be able to out-manoeuvre them. They might be in the wrong but the successful ones are still very, very intelligent. Don't forget that.

But GPS is a much better thing, though it doesn't help with lenses. I also agree that each frame should have some metadata, possibly encrypted, which identifies the camera. Any footage with corrupted or absent metadata can by default be under suspicion, and there's nothing wrong with that. Also, it should be law that all equipment offered for sale should identify a serial number (though that can generate false claims of theft, so there will have to be a provision for that).

The best way to minimize theft is to maximize the effort required to use or offload stolen property. Punishing thieves isn't necessarily the best answer, even though theft is rarely spontaneous and therefore there is no excuse for it (medical emergencies exempted). If everyone agreed that material objects are not the most important things in life, then there would be no theft. Still, our society recognizes property as sacred, and rightly so.
 
@ Karim.
Agreed. More often than it's supposed to the 'go-to' argument is to simply insure your tools. I always fight back with... 'Have you ever had your livelihood taken from you? Have you ever had your house burn down?' ..... and history ALWAYS seems to repeat itself!

I have. And I've lost everything, time and time again. Including tools. And the emptiness that one has when their entire kit they've spent years, or in some of our cases DECADES building, is simply irreplaceable. I really wouldn't wish that to happen, even to my worst enemy. It's one of the most gut-wrenching things someone passionate about their craft, (who also relies on their tools to make a living) can imagine.

I believe in insurance, 100%. Whether you rent your gear, or simply own. The fact is, life happens; and when it does, that minimal yearly deductible will SAVE YOUR LIFE, CAREER, AND FAMILY if your worst nightmare comes true. I've had an entire flight case of primes walk off while I was living in Bosnia. I had pulled a robert rodriguez, flew into a foreign country to study (and eventually live) and maxed all of my cards on gear. It was great, but a terrible financial decision. Because those lenses were never seen again. Yep. Just payed those off this four years later. Lesson learned. Had I been insured... well, I probably would have went even further my career, that much faster. To anyone reading this, https://www.buymyinsurancenow.com/ is pretty good.They cover your gear, replacements, rentals (if you're renting, and if you lose gear rentals while your gear is being replaced) .... not too shabby for rates either.


Encrypted images... Blegggggh. There are enough complications in post. I can't imagine what I'd do if I were a data wrangler, DIT, or editor and was handed encrypted raw data... (had to run it through a special program, just to work with the stuff..) worst workflow ever.

Proprietary Mounts - Someone out there will always try to adapt a lens to fit their purpose. There will always be adapters for higher priced lenses on cheaper cameras. Look at DSLRs, and PL, B, OCT19, C Mount lenses. Seriously! What lenses haven't been adopted to fit a camera it wasn't supposed to fit? It happens, and if we were to go back in time and ask ourselves then to put bets on still cameras having PL mount lenses mounted on them, we would all say... that's crazy? Why would anyone do that. Not to mention the limited sales companies will have with such a strict market. If anything, we're totally moving towards more universal mounts... It seems to be everyone is favoring the EF for lower end, and PL for higher end. But then there's the 4/3 so.... It'll be awhile, but we can spend hours debating about those predictions....

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I was thinking about this at the airport the other day (paranoid of losing gear of course)

If anyone important reads this, feel free to get ahold of me!

Now, if there were a way to 'chip' aftermarket lenses like the S4is have... RED (or whatever company) creates just... an internal chip, not something an average joe will know how to take off, or even be able to without destroying the lens. Not many people I'm aware of understand how to disassemble the mechanics of ANY lens. For a trained tech... It's actually pretty easy.

Something built into the mount. (whether it be PL, EF, whatever..)

Each chip has a unique serial# / identifier.

Said 'Chip' communicates with the camera, similar to how the S4is, the EFs (with the berger mount) communicate with the camera. Super doable right?

The mount is installed on the lens, and when paired with a camera, it records the lens' unique identifier# onto a log (in a special firmware file) stored within the camera.

When a new firmware update comes out, the computer must be connected to wifi to download and install the new firmware file on the camera.

As this is happening, the 'old firmware' along with the 'past lens log' is uploaded onto 'the mothership' to be scanned for stolen/reported lenses.

Any lens/camera that has this feature installed will have that be able to do this.

LENS PROBLEM SOLVED! (with minimal hardware, AND easily doable in a software update.) Hell. Couldn't we do this now???

Now.

What about cameras? Kits etc?

Like what Karim said... GPS solutions like LoJack, or subscription based services is pretty much what we have right now.

But what if we installed a unit inside of our camears when we get them sent to RED, that have a chip, when nearby an unlocked wifi portal, to connect and phone home to the users red account? I wouldn't want to be that guy....... suddenly camera thieves start showing up in the bottoms of lakes. ....Maybe it should phone home into RED.

When a RED camera gets a firmware update, it should also record the camera's current lattitude/longitude, and current location. Does it not do that now?? (Not sure) but wouldn't that be common sense?

The real question is this: If you can track your $600 iPhone, why can't we track our $40,000 RED Cameras..

Until then, I'm sticking my doggy tracker in my flight cases: :D




Cheers all. Hopefully this gets somewhere. It'd be neat to see something like this happen. We'd all rest easier for sure.
 
Very good idea;)
 
Just so EVERYONE is on the same page... the "Picture This Productions" that is supposedly selling this gear is located in Oregon and has NO AFFILIATION with Picture This Productions in Phoenix, Arizona! I've had gear stolen as well, and find the cowards who do this sort of thing repulsive! I have no tolerance for it. Yes, our gear is insured. That's not the point.

I just don't want folks to confuse the name of my company with another out there. We are a reputable business, with morals and scruples.
 
How about a simple passcode before you can operate the camera during boot up. Completely dismantle the power?

No, need for gps. A custom password for owner/operator. If you rent it out, you simply change the code for that one rental or renter. Simple.
 
Caden,

I think the PIN number idea is an excellent one. It should be relatively simple to implement on cameras like Epic and Scarlet which have touch screens. Just have a keypad pop-up first after powering up. We uses passwords for email, bank accounts, cell phones, etc. So why not a camera?
 
iPhone example

iPhone example

Hi folks,

I heard many positive stories about how people have located their iphones and MacBooks with the search capabilities called "Find my Mac" that Apple put in place online. Obviously it isn't perfect but having wifi on the devices means that unless the thieves or unknowing buyer never use wifi again, chances are it will eventually appear when using Apple's search software.

I'm hoping Red might add such a feature one day. The key would be to have the police all recognize the method and take action as required.

Just a thought.
 
You could even have settings for temporarily disabling/enabling password protection.
 
You could even have settings for temporarily disabling/enabling password protection.

Ok, these are great ideas. Passwords and also being able to temporarily disable them would be a great thing, how bout it? Can the RED Team make this so?

Hope so, would be a great addition but don't know how much trouble it would be to make it so.
 
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