Magic lantern... Dude.

[Adam Johnson]

My Canon 5D III RAW footage is blowing my mind right now. This image is as good as the C300 (which I shot an entire reality TV series on) and on par with my RED MX (and formerly Scarlet) at 1080p. Absolutely stunning!!

The awesome lowlight and true 35mm full frame makes it so f'n cool to shoot with! The jello is no worse than it was before. As far as rolling shutter I don't notice a huge difference in comparison to my RED as long as you have it on a shoulder rig. ;-)

The workflow is getting easier too. Simply convert the files to Cineform RAW which decreases the RAW file size by about 80% and keeps all the RAW info intact. And everything is good to go for edit in Premiere.

Indie filmmakers rejoice. There is going to be some legit stuff shot with this hack...especially when it gets out of the beginning stages. Haters gonna hate, but this RED owner is extremely impressed and excited.

 

[RivaiC]

Hi Adam

Please explain a bit more when you said true 35mm full frame. As i understand it. it's a crop factor when you shoot on 5D MK3 to HD res. Does it mean that you can record full frame and it downscale to HD res at the same time now ?

Thanks
Rivai

 

[Klas Persson]

Always been full frame on the 5d's.

 

[Ivan Kovax]

DNG route used here removes compression artifacts, enables improved color performance and helps in parts of post. Its appeal is logical.
What it also does is swallow around 90 MB/s for 1080p which is not full quality 1080p, while revealing some picture deficiencies which compression can hide in some cases by reducing picture detail.

DR range utilization is a property of gamma curve, it is not dependent on .dng or raw formats. Which is why professional RGB recording video cameras allow more detailed gamma adjustments.
What .dng does here related to DR is allow gamma and exposure corrections after the shoot. H.264 itself does not limit recording the available DR of a camera, its utilization does.



Yes, in the context of one discussion between experienced motion imaging professionals it might be close enough, although this is closer to "uncompressed" than "raw", with poor quality scaling in mind.
It starts to present an issue when easily thrown around terminology, born on enthusiast blog, is perceived by people with less technical knowledge and accepted as generally attributable fact, inaccurately describing quality of motion imaging recording.

Which leads to yet another portion of spending time and energy on debunking internet myths and re-educating a client, prior the shoot or after being given the material in the post suite. Which in this case entails the talk about why this "raw" and that raw are not really the same and cannot achieve the same performance or be freed from same limitations. Despite being labeled the same somewhere on the internet. Then after explaining the drawbacks being asked to fix them in post.

One might also ponder over the notion of using the same terminology for labeling "the best you can get" and "the least you can get away with".

Hrvoje,

In a world where most clients think that the CF card you record anything is RAW data (they mean original data), be it h264 etc, sometimes we just gotta accept that people are gonna call things what they want.

Again, for all intents and purposes this hack provides a vast improvement over what DSLRs offered before, and to that extent it will be wildly successful if it works reliably. That is the whole point of this I believe.

We can pixelfuck all we want, but if people can't tell the difference on the TV, or computer screen then this becomes rather redundant a discussion.

 

[Mike Garrick]

@ Adam

Since you have it & given better DR & image then previously. How bad is the jello ? Every shot I've seen so far has been "locked off".

Maybe this hack can rekindle some joy for HDSLR...which to be honest I thought was going the way of dinosaurs.

 

[Emanuel A.]

Always been full frame on the 5d's.

There are also crop modes.

 

[Les Dittert]

That's right. My TV has 3840 x 2160 pixels. The Canon 5D footage looks like low rez shite with good dynamic range.

Hrvoje,

In a world where most clients think that the CF card you record anything is RAW data (they mean original data), be it h264 etc, sometimes we just gotta accept that people are gonna call things what they want.

Again, for all intents and purposes this hack provides a vast improvement over what DSLRs offered before, and to that extent it will be wildly successful if it works reliably. That is the whole point of this I believe.

We can pixelfuck all we want, but if people can't tell the difference on the TV, or computer screen then this becomes rather redundant a discussion.

 

[Hrvoje Simic]

Hrvoje,

In a world where most clients think that the CF card you record anything is RAW data (they mean original data), be it h264 etc, sometimes we just gotta accept that people are gonna call things what they want.

Again, for all intents and purposes this hack provides a vast improvement over what DSLRs offered before, and to that extent it will be wildly successful if it works reliably. That is the whole point of this I believe.

We can pixelfuck all we want, but if people can't tell the difference on the TV, or computer screen then this becomes rather redundant a discussion.

I understand your point but it would help significantly if generalization was avoided as much as possible because it tends to require wasting time on re-interpreting the misinterpretations it often leads to. It is not debatable whether this hack enables a picture quality improvement. That part is obvious. Naming convention which affects a large field of professional motion imaging, originating from a DSLR video promoting blog is the debatable part.

Firstly, it would be beneficial to avoid generalization of "clients" as many are pretty aware of the differences between full quality and strong compression, between full resolution and trickery, and about the benefits of using a tool specially designed for a particular purpose from the ground up as oppose to a hack of something that wasn't. "People" and their needs and criteria also vary significantly and what suits the needs of certain types of shooters and productions fails to meet others'. In a wide realm of multimedia production prioritizing one part unavoidably ignores others. Also, the fact that some people may name things as they want does not necessarily mean that it is a reasonable choice or that it brings benefit in the end or should be tolerated. I have mentioned one example where one naming convention may create issues later down the road. There are many others.

Secondly, it depends on which people cannot percieve the difference on a proper comparison, and which segment is best listened for which types of classification. Without any ego trips or devaluing others' professional or expressive routes.

 

[Bob Minervini]

was wandering if someone used the 64GB original Red CF cards with the Canon 5D III RAW, as fast as they are they should allow for higher resolutions to be recorded, right?

 

[Ivan Kovax]

I understand your point but it would help significantly if generalization was avoided as much as possible because it tends to require wasting time on re-interpreting the misinterpretations it often leads to. It is not debatable whether this hack enables a picture quality improvement. That part is obvious. Naming convention which affects a large field of professional motion imaging, originating from a DSLR video promoting blog is the debatable part.

Firstly, it would be beneficial to avoid generalization of "clients" as many are pretty aware of the differences between full quality and strong compression, between full resolution and trickery, and about the benefits of using a tool specially designed for a particular purpose from the ground up as oppose to a hack of something that wasn't. "People" and their needs and criteria also vary significantly and what suits the needs of certain types of shooters and productions fails to meet others'. In a wide realm of multimedia production prioritizing one part unavoidably ignores others. Also, the fact that some people may name things as they want does not necessarily mean that it is a reasonable choice or that it brings benefit in the end or should be tolerated. I have mentioned one example where one naming convention may create issues later down the road. There are many others.

Secondly, it depends on which people cannot percieve the difference on a proper comparison, and which segment is best listened for which types of classification. Without any ego trips or devaluing others' professional or expressive routes.

There is no disagreement at all here Hrvoje.

Just a difference in perspective. As you can see here, and as you pointed out, many people are finding the hack tremendously useful.

And I take your word that on the nomenclature of the format.

 

[Hrvoje Simic]

I never saw a disagreement, my posts were not opposing yours. They were an addition to your perspective, which I appreciate.


Btw, just to be sure, the intent of "without any ego trip/devaluing others' work" comment is to avoid the often seen knee-jerk type of reaction, which falsely perceives devaluing someone's tool of choice or work by pointing out the technical drawbacks, mentioned here strictly within the context of nomenclature.

 

[Bob Minervini]

My Canon 5D III RAW footage is blowing my mind right now. This image is as good as the C300 (which I shot an entire reality TV series on) and on par with my RED MX (and formerly Scarlet) at 1080p. Absolutely stunning!!

The awesome lowlight and true 35mm full frame makes it so f'n cool to shoot with! The jello is no worse than it was before. As far as rolling shutter I don't notice a huge difference in comparison to my RED as long as you have it on a shoulder rig. ;-)

The workflow is getting easier too. Simply convert the files to Cineform RAW which decreases the RAW file size by about 80% and keeps all the RAW info intact. And everything is good to go for edit in Premiere.

Indie filmmakers rejoice. There is going to be some legit stuff shot with this hack...especially when it gets out of the beginning stages. Haters gonna hate, but this RED owner is extremely impressed and excited.

Hi Adam,

as you are both a Red user and a Canon 5DIIIRaw did you try using Red CF cards on the Canon, could you pull higher resolutions thanks to their increased speed?